VCS Vultures

tboo

Ionelush said:

Could you give me the number for the gym?!

I am sure as a member of the gym you would know the number!

Google it.

meg2021

Ionelush said:

meg2021 said:

Ionelush said:

I will try today but I don't think they will do something. 

Monday some signs appeared on the lookers doors with the exactly parking area, by the range 

Now when all the people get issued it is to late

I would definitely ring the gym as they emailed me Friday and took down all the info of my 3 PCN’s issued up to now and are in contact with the land owners. I think they have now recently received so many complaints they are having to try do something about it !! Hence the reason they have now just put up correct parking place on the lockers like you have mentioned. I have now cancelled my gym membership I refuse to give my money to these people! 

Could you give me the number for the gym?!

Good Evening,

 

We are contacting you today in response to your enquiry regarding the parking charges you received at the Liverpool Innovation Park site.

As we previously mentioned we have contacted the landlord of the site and asked for their assistance regarding these charges.

As JD Gyms is not responsible in any way for these fines and has no direct contact with the company that issued them, we will require you to provide us with details of the Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) you have received in order for us to look into this matter further.

You are not in any way obligated to provide this information to us however we will be unable to further pursue this matter without these details.

If you are happy for us to proceed with this enquiry can you, please reply to this email with the following

• Name of the person who received the PCN
• Date Received (if known)
• Issue Date (on PCN)
• PCN Ref No
• Vehicle Registration
• Contravention Date
• If the ticket has been appealed (Yes or No) and if so the results of this

 

Could you please provide this information for every PCN you have received.

We would also like to clarify that we intend to share the information you provide with the Landlord of the Liverpool Innovation Park site however we WILL NOT share your contact number or email address outside of our organisation.

We sympathise with the situation you are in and hope that we can help to resolve this matter, however we feel it is necessary to clarify that JD Gyms is not in any way responsible for these charges and cannot guarantee a positive outcome from our efforts to assist you.

We appreciate your cooperation.

Kind regards,

The Liverpool Edge Lane Team
JD Gyms

This was the email I received from the gym Friday. Number is 01513172380. Usually goes to answer machine first ring but if you leave a message they do actually ring back the following day or so. It’s worth atleast a try, as they mention can’t guarantee a positive outcome but worth a shot. 

Ionelush

tboo said:

Ionelush said:

Could you give me the number for the gym?!

I am sure as a member of the gym you would know the number!

Google it.

Found it!😊

tboo

Salmil123 said:

Sorry just to clarify. So say you lost in court what would happen then? Theres no way you could try and get a payment plan set up? Would you have to pay the outstanding on the spot?

No, 'if you lose and a big 'if', you pay it within the specified time limit.

I am not up with the procedure but I assume it is 1 month to pay off.

Coupon-mad

Kerp up the pressure and ALL of you get your respective MPs on board to write to the landowner and to VCS and to the IPC as well,  to state the signage is clearly inadequate and the charges must be cancelled.

The IPC need to receive MP complaints about this trap zone.

Get your respective local MPs to also ask Neil O'Brien MP (who the BPA have publicly stated to now be responsible for the new Code of Practice)  what the DLUHC are doing to stop entrapment areas with two VERY similar looking sets of signs in adjacent car parks as this one has fooled dozens of gym users who are all cancelling their memberships in droves and are up in arms.  And to ask on what possible planet are parking firms allowed to add false 'debt recovery costs' per PCN which is out of all proportion to any legitimate interest and appears to be just an illegal penalty clause?  Consumer law does not allow late fees and the way round it is NOT to say 'it's OK, we understand this is a sensitive subject so in future they can just have illegal penalty late fees 'as of right' under contract, by putting it on the signs.' Which is shockingly, what the DLUHC proposed in their August public consultation.

No, no, and more NO.

Please get your MPs to use your cases as examples of all that is rotten about the parking industry and not to accept being told it'll all be OK because we will let them put the illegal fake.costs on the signs as we want there to be 'consequences' for victims who dispute and recuse to pay.  This is no more acceptable than these signs are.

Invite your MP to go take a look with you.

Jenni_D

Re. the paying in instalments query (if a claim was lost) ... yes, you can go down that route. However it would be utterly pointless to do so as it would mean that you still have a CCJ filed against you, which would get marked as Satisfied after the last instalment payment cleared.

In other words, if you're happy enough to have a CCJ registered then you may as well not pay them anything - paying in instalments doesn't improve your creditworthiness one iota as the CCJ would still be there (for 6 years).

Coupon-mad

But please let's not get diverted by that scenario which is highly unlikely.  Even if people get claims, we win almost all of them and all these victim defendants could get together and get it in the paper and provide WS for each other's cases to show that this signage is inadequate

Salmil123

Jenni_D said:

Re. the paying in instalments query (if a claim was lost) ... yes, you can go down that route. However it would be utterly pointless to do so as it would mean that you still have a CCJ filed against you, which would get marked as Satisfied after the last instalment payment cleared.

In other words, if you're happy enough to have a CCJ registered then you may as well not pay them anything - paying in instalments doesn't improve your creditworthiness one iota as the CCJ would still be there (for 6 years).

Thanks Jenni - but when would the CCJ go on someones file? Before the first court date? Surely thats not fair. I thought a CCJ would only go on your file if you didn't pay within the specified time limit set on the day of court (if someone lost)?

If I drag this out and ignore their threatening letters they will issue a court summons (maybe)? Would a CCJ go on my file in the meantime?

tboo

Salmil123 said:

Thanks Jenni - but when would the CCJ go on someones file? Before the first court date? Surely thats not fair. I thought a CCJ would only go on your file if you didn't pay within the specified time limit set on the day of court (if someone lost)?

If I drag this out and ignore their threatening letters they will issue a court summons (maybe)? Would a CCJ go on my file in the meantime?

No, they can't apply before a court date

I suspect they may well take you to court, so preparation is the key to winning.

Coupon-mad

You don't get any CCJ (not even if you lose, because you then pay) merely by defending a claim, as long as you follow our advice and all court directions.

The thought of a CCJ is irrelevant to the case.  There is zero risk - with the above caveats - otherwise we wouldn't put people through this.