Electric car charging points to be installed at ALL new properties

BOWFER

Grumpy_chap said:

BOWFER said:

Grumpy_chap said:

BOWFER said:

Chargers are going up at an astonishing rate, there's no need at all for Ford/VW/whoever to come up with their own branded chargers.

I agree chargers do not need to be specific to manufacturers (and that would probably be a bad thing).

However, it is not untypical in my experience to stop at the motorway services and there will be a dozen Tesla chargers, sited away from the buildings, so available to EV users.  Then 2 other EV points right near the entrance to buildings and invariably with a selfish ICE parked diagonally across both spaces.

Not everywhere has the rate of roll-out the same as Scotland.

the posts I see about new charging points on twitter are all England.
I should check and see what the status of Tesla's idea to release their chargers to everyone is.
If I were a Tesla owner, I can't imagine I'd be very happy if Tesla's USP was taken away from me and some plum in an Outlander PHEV was using one.

Indeed, the biggest reason to buy a TM3 instead of MG5 is range plus charging network.  No understanding at all why Tesla would sacrifice one of the two USP's they have.

Oooh, the MG5 isn't a good example to use in front of me,.
Regardless of how good an EV it is, it's one ugly and old fashioned looking car.
I don't like estate anyway, I especially don't like one that looks like a 20 year old Passat.
The proposed new one looks a lot nicer though.

Herzlos

I like the MG5 EV; the only reason I'm not considering one is that the roof rails aren't rated to hold any weight and I've got a bike rack / roof box.

Grumpy_chap

Herzlos said:

I like the MG5 EV; the only reason I'm not considering one is that the roof rails aren't rated to hold any weight and I've got a bike rack / roof box.

Yeah, they previously were (and even shown in the catalogue with a bike on top) and then changed which I think was a documentation / certification k change, not a physical change.

There was a whole thread on this a while back:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6224152/cancelling-new-car-order/p1

Up to you whether you'd take a chance on it.

FWIW, if the roof rails are just for show then they'd be better off removed altogether as (however marginal) it must be detrimental to efficiency to have them there than not because of the weight plus drag they must impose.  In addition, from a safety point of view, if the roof rails are there, then someone is going to affix something to them at some time.

BOWFER

Grumpy_chap said:

FWIW, if the roof rails are just for show then they'd be better off removed altogether as (however marginal) it must be detrimental to efficiency to have them there than not because of the weight plus drag they must impose.  In addition, from a safety point of view, if the roof rails are there, then someone is going to affix something to them at some time.

But that would spoil the looks......oh, hang on.
As you were.

Grumpy_chap

Herzlos said:

MG5 EV; the  roof rails aren't rated to hold any weight

Latest data on the website includes a larger battery option, which does state a roof rail rating:
https://mg.co.uk/mg5-ev/

Definitely something you'd need to verify before purchase if that was a critical factor. 

It makes little sense that the roof rails have a different rating depending upon the battery size.  If anything, it would be the other way round (lighter battery leaving more weight capacity available) unless MG have taken into account cross-winds and the heavier battery keeps you on the ground

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Herzlos said:

I like the MG5 EV; the only reason I'm not considering one is that the roof rails aren't rated to hold any weight and I've got a bike rack / roof box.

Out of interest - see https://wattev2buy.com/china-ev-price-list-rank-chinese-electric-cars-by-range-and-price/ and check the price of the MG5 EV in China - 178,000 yen - which is less than £18k

But European EVs such as BMW/Audi etc are hugely more expensive - up to 1million yen - that tells me that Chinese import duties on foreign cars are massive

Perhaps UK should follow suit and force UK residents to buy British

BOWFER

Deleted_User said:

Herzlos said:

I like the MG5 EV; the only reason I'm not considering one is that the roof rails aren't rated to hold any weight and I've got a bike rack / roof box.

Out of interest - see https://wattev2buy.com/china-ev-price-list-rank-chinese-electric-cars-by-range-and-price/ and check the price of the MG5 EV in China - 178,000 yen - which is less than £18k

But European EVs such as BMW/Audi etc are hugely more expensive - up to 1million yen - that tells me that Chinese import duties on foreign cars are massive

Perhaps UK should follow suit and force UK residents to buy British

Chinese import duty on cars is 25% to 47% depending on engine size.
This is why European manufacturers open their own factories there, in part.
It's 10% import duty here (assuming no preferential trade agreements).
Raising import duties here to encourage UK made vehicles doesn't really work when we don't make many.
What have we got, Vauxhall, Honda and Nissan?
And even then it's limited models?
My Leaf is made in Sunderland, which is nice to know if not a reason I bought it.

Ectophile

Deleted_User said:

Herzlos said:

I like the MG5 EV; the only reason I'm not considering one is that the roof rails aren't rated to hold any weight and I've got a bike rack / roof box.

Out of interest - see https://wattev2buy.com/china-ev-price-list-rank-chinese-electric-cars-by-range-and-price/ and check the price of the MG5 EV in China - 178,000 yen - which is less than £18k

But European EVs such as BMW/Audi etc are hugely more expensive - up to 1million yen - that tells me that Chinese import duties on foreign cars are massive

Perhaps UK should follow suit and force UK residents to buy British

But then we'll be forced to buy massively over-priced UK-only vehicles.

The European manufacturers aren't going to start seriously cutting their prices until forced to by competition.

Grumpy_chap

BOWFER said:

Raising import duties here to encourage UK made vehicles doesn't really work when we don't make many.
What have we got, Vauxhall, Honda and Nissan?
And even then it's limited models?
My Leaf is made in Sunderland, which is nice to know if not a reason I bought it.

Honda have closed Swindon, or doing so.

There's Mini, JLR and Toyota that you forgot.  Maybe more.

Plus Rolls Royce, MacLaren, Aston Martin, Lotus, Bentley, Morgan, Caterham and the Aerial Atom.  All that I overlooked.

BOWFER

Grumpy_chap said:

BOWFER said:

Raising import duties here to encourage UK made vehicles doesn't really work when we don't make many.
What have we got, Vauxhall, Honda and Nissan?
And even then it's limited models?
My Leaf is made in Sunderland, which is nice to know if not a reason I bought it.

Honda have closed Swindon, or doing so.

There's Mini, JLR and Toyota that you forgot.  Maybe more.

Plus Rolls Royce, MacLaren, Aston Martin, Lotus, Bentley, Morgan, Caterham and the Aerial Atom.  All that I overlooked.

I think we can ignore exotica, don't you?
Still not much choice if you hammered tax onto imported cars.
Rules of origin probably means many of them benefit from preferential trade deals anyway.
For example, if a VW made in Wolfsburg and is determined to be German origin, it's duty free (even post Brexit).