Electric car charging points to be installed at ALL new properties

GunJack

user1977 said:

And it's also the sort of neighbourhood where the planners can reasonably argue that residents don't need their own car at all, like I said above - so it's perfectly feasible to manage with other modes of transport, if need be hire a car (pick one up from the city car club spaces nearby) on occasions where it would be useful.

So now planners intend to dictate who can and can't have their own transport??

Utter madness.....  

Car_54

Norman_Castle said:

Deleted_User said:

user1977 said:

Deleted_User said:

user1977 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Ectophile said:

With the exception of some town/city centre areas, dedicated parking spages are pretty much a requirement for new homes.  Without them, the development won't get planning permission.  So requiring EV chargers isn't a problem there.

Does the combination of the Local Authority "car-free" requirement plus the Government "EV charger" requirement mean that houses will be built with a charge point but no parking????

Like I said above, if they're deemed to be for the occupation of non-car-owners, why would they need charging points?

  Because - At the moment, there are many 100,000's of people living in flats and other homes without dedicated parking spaces (in fact, I know of several with no parking at all) that still own cars, that they are forced  to park some distance from their homes - just leaving the cars parked by the side of the road - since the cars run on a liquid called petrol, which is simple and almost instantaneous to refill with at a petrol station, this is done without difficulty - now, in perhaps 15 years time - five years after the last IC engined car has been produced and more and more people will be looking to buy their replacement transport - no one will have any options any longer - so what will these residents do for transport and more importantly - how will they refuel their EVs at reasonable cost ?

I live in an area where almost nobody has off-street parking, and have noticed quite a few residents already have EVs, so they obviously manage already - in 15 years' time, how many more charging facilities do you think there'll be? I really don't get the notion that EVs are unmanageable unless you can charge them at home.

And it's also the sort of neighbourhood where the planners can reasonably argue that residents don't need their own car at all, like I said above - so it's perfectly feasible to manage with other modes of transport, if need be hire a car (pick one up from the city car club spaces nearby) on occasions where it would be useful.

And as for alternatives - one bus a week to take me to my local town (20 miles away) is on offer here - how does that stand as an option ?

Rural buses have diminished because of the ease and low cost of car ownership. If electric vehicle remain comparatively expensive to own bus routes will become viable again. Private car co operatives could also work well for some. A few years ago I remember a commercial car club with cars parked at various locations. These may become more viable if car ownership becomes too expensive.

Before buses, the only option for most country-dwellers was to walk or cycle. A bus running to the local town once or twice a day (or even once a week) was obviously an improvement.

Times have changed, and people's expectations are different. Rural buses with a useful frequency (hourly or better) are never likely to be viable.

user1977

GunJack said:

user1977 said:

And it's also the sort of neighbourhood where the planners can reasonably argue that residents don't need their own car at all, like I said above - so it's perfectly feasible to manage with other modes of transport, if need be hire a car (pick one up from the city car club spaces nearby) on occasions where it would be useful.

So now planners intend to dictate who can and can't have their own transport??

It's the developers who decide how much on-site parking they want to provide, and the planners who decide whether their proposals make sense in the context of the neighbourhood. This is isn't a new thing.

[Deleted User]

Nothing can replace my IC car for ease of use - If I want to go somewhere, be it 2 miles to my nearest shop, 10 miles to my nearest supermarket or 150 miles to visit relatives, I just jump in and go - no "ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP TO RECHARGE FOR X HOURS @ "over the odds" per KW of electricity"

If I do need to refuel (which I rarely do with 55 mpg average and emissions virtually zero (Latest MOT)) - It takes me 5 minutes once at the filling station

This is the reason why I will never buy an EV.

Herzlos

Deleted_User said:

Nothing can replace my IC car for ease of use - If I want to go somewhere, be it 2 miles to my nearest shop, 10 miles to my nearest supermarket or 150 miles to visit relatives, I just jump in and go - no "ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP TO RECHARGE FOR X HOURS @ "over the odds" per KW of electricity"

If I do need to refuel (which I rarely do with 55 mpg average and emissions virtually zero (Latest MOT)) - It takes me 5 minutes once at the filling station

This is the reason why I will never buy an EV.

You'd still have all that extra "convenience" of having to go to a petrol station to refuel. Imagine being able to just plug your car in at home and *it's always full when you need it!*. No more do you need to jump in and think "Do I need to go to a petrol station first?" it's barbaric.

And yes, EV's can do 150 miles easily now. They'll probably be able to do 300 by 2030.

shinytop

If you think Deleted_User said:

Nothing can replace my IC car for ease of use - If I want to go somewhere, be it 2 miles to my nearest shop, 10 miles to my nearest supermarket or 150 miles to visit relatives, I just jump in and go - no "ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP TO RECHARGE FOR X HOURS @ "over the odds" per KW of electricity"

If I do need to refuel (which I rarely do with 55 mpg average and emissions virtually zero (Latest MOT)) - It takes me 5 minutes once at the filling station

This is the reason why I will never buy an EV.

If you're still going to be driving much after 2030 you might not have a choice.  Next month sees a £12.50 per day charge on older petrol and diesel cars in most of London.  Expect more of this, in more locations.  Petrol and diesel cars will simply be priced off the roads.  £4.5k per year would be a lot to pay for a car that, after 2030, you might not be able to fill up as conveniently as you can now because all the petrol pumps will be EV chargers.       

thevilla

If you can say 2.68kg CO2 per litre of diesel fuel is low emmission!  That's just from burning the stuff without refining etc.

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If I do need to refuel (which I rarely do with 55 mpg average and emissions virtually zero (Latest MOT)) - 

I refilled my dad's ice car after 4 months of EV ownership last week.  Was shocked what a squalid dirty experience it is having taken it for granted all these years, not to mention the cost!

BOWFER

Deleted_User said:

Nothing can replace my IC car for ease of use - If I want to go somewhere, be it 2 miles to my nearest shop, 10 miles to my nearest supermarket or 150 miles to visit relatives, I just jump in and go - no "ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP TO RECHARGE FOR X HOURS @ "over the odds" per KW of electricity"

If I do need to refuel (which I rarely do with 55 mpg average and emissions virtually zero (Latest MOT)) - It takes me 5 minutes once at the filling station

This is the reason why I will never buy an EV.

I get the feeling you're older, in which case you might not have to bother.
Your thinking about electric cars is certainly old fashioned, suggesting a complete lack of willingness to even look into the developments going on, you've proven that by thinking 150 miles is a big deal for an EV.
It's strange how vociferous people are about not wanting electric cars though.
It's the same of Facebook and twitter, it's important people KNOW the likes of you won't ever buy one - I don't get it.

GunJack

BOWFER said:

Deleted_User said:

Nothing can replace my IC car for ease of use - If I want to go somewhere, be it 2 miles to my nearest shop, 10 miles to my nearest supermarket or 150 miles to visit relatives, I just jump in and go - no "ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP TO RECHARGE FOR X HOURS @ "over the odds" per KW of electricity"

If I do need to refuel (which I rarely do with 55 mpg average and emissions virtually zero (Latest MOT)) - It takes me 5 minutes once at the filling station

This is the reason why I will never buy an EV.

I get the feeling you're older, in which case you might not have to bother.
Your thinking about electric cars is certainly old fashioned, suggesting a complete lack of willingness to even look into the developments going on, you've proven that by thinking 150 miles is a big deal for an EV.
It's strange how vociferous people are about not wanting electric cars though.
It's the same of Facebook and twitter, it's important people KNOW the likes of you won't ever buy one - I don't get it.

I'm early 50s and I can see where seadonkey's coming from (but I get 60+mpg out of my diesel )  Every journey I go on I go past a garage, and at around 600 miles per tank, 10 mins to fill it is no bother. I'm not saying I'd never get one, but until they're available used for around £1k with a range of at least 200 miles, then I'll be keeping my oil-burner as long as possible...

..and people going on about London, Birmingham, etc. just doesn't come into my thinking at all...

BOWFER

GunJack said:

BOWFER said:

Deleted_User said:

Nothing can replace my IC car for ease of use - If I want to go somewhere, be it 2 miles to my nearest shop, 10 miles to my nearest supermarket or 150 miles to visit relatives, I just jump in and go - no "ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP TO RECHARGE FOR X HOURS @ "over the odds" per KW of electricity"

If I do need to refuel (which I rarely do with 55 mpg average and emissions virtually zero (Latest MOT)) - It takes me 5 minutes once at the filling station

This is the reason why I will never buy an EV.

I get the feeling you're older, in which case you might not have to bother.
Your thinking about electric cars is certainly old fashioned, suggesting a complete lack of willingness to even look into the developments going on, you've proven that by thinking 150 miles is a big deal for an EV.
It's strange how vociferous people are about not wanting electric cars though.
It's the same of Facebook and twitter, it's important people KNOW the likes of you won't ever buy one - I don't get it.

I'm early 50s and I can see where seadonkey's coming from (but I get 60+mpg out of my diesel )  Every journey I go on I go past a garage, and at around 600 miles per tank, 10 mins to fill it is no bother. I'm not saying I'd never get one, but until they're available used for around £1k with a range of at least 200 miles, then I'll be keeping my oil-burner as long as possible...

..and people going on about London, Birmingham, etc. just doesn't come into my thinking at all...

I'm 54 and I'm glad I'm more open to new tech than many my age.
I'm also glad I will never have to visit a petrol station again.
This £1.40 of electricity per 90-100 miles of range along with a far more pleasant drive is ace, I wouldn't go back to ICE and only a matter of time until my wife's diesel gets the bung and she's in an EV too.