Electric car charging points to be installed at ALL new properties

born_again

Deleted_User said:

Evidently ALL new properties built from next year will have an electric vehicle charging point built installed https://mol.im/a/9976019

What concerns me is - is the national grid and local spurs up to the extra load ?

What about properties without garages or parking spaces ?

This won't work...

And guess what. Builders will just put a external socket & say that is your charging point. Unless it is specified in the regulations it has to be a certain type of socket that can only be used for charging cars.

BOWFER

born_again said:

Deleted_User said:

Evidently ALL new properties built from next year will have an electric vehicle charging point built installed https://mol.im/a/9976019

What concerns me is - is the national grid and local spurs up to the extra load ?

What about properties without garages or parking spaces ?

This won't work...

And guess what. Builders will just put a external socket & say that is your charging point. Unless it is specified in the regulations it has to be a certain type of socket that can only be used for charging cars.

Well they say they have to be capable of smart charging.
Easy to be cynical but I doubt it will just be an external three pin plug affair.
I'd imagine most builders are already sending tenders to the likes of Podpoint and Zapi asking them to bid on chargers and I'd guess the minimum spec will be 7KW.

troffasky

born_again said:

Builders will just put a external socket & say that is your charging point. Unless it is specified in the regulations it has to be a certain type of socket that can only be used for charging cars.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/electric-vehicle-chargepoints-in-residential-and-non-residential-buildings

"We propose specifying that the chargepoints must have a minimum power rating output of 7kW, be fitted with a universal socket that can charge all types of electric vehicle currently on the market".

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is billing, which is great news for freeholders of large blocks of flats - nice opportunity to skim a bit off the top for you there add some value to every kWh, and bill for an annual inspection of all the charging points

[Deleted User]

So to add to future UK power shortages - we need to add another 7KW of power to 100s of 1000s of new builds per year (if the government gets its way) and thats on top of existing properties upgrading - rolling power cuts here we come.

"Local" to me - an estimated 10,000 new homes are planned - in several estates - the extra load on the grid (assuming that the power is available in the first place will be way too much for the existing cabling  (even on the local level (132,000v) - so sub stations will need upgrading etc) as well as the feed to this (400,000v) - you may as well start again with the national grid - a hugely expensive proposition - on a par with HS2 in complexity

BOWFER

Deleted_User said:

So to add to future UK power shortages - we need to add another 7KW of power to 100s of 1000s of new builds per year (if the government gets its way) and thats on top of existing properties upgrading - rolling power cuts here we come.

"Local" to me - an estimated 10,000 new homes are planned - in several estates - the extra load on the grid (assuming that the power is available in the first place will be way too much for the existing cabling  (even on the local level (132,000v) - so sub stations will need upgrading etc) as well as the feed to this (400,000v) - you may as well start again with the national grid - a hugely expensive proposition - on a par with HS2 in complexity

I've no idea if you're correct or not, I just know I've seen several grid engineers on an EV car forum saying the grid can easily cope even if everyone switched to EVs right now.
One thing to bear in mind is that not everyone will charge at the same time.
Example, I only have to charge once a week and I'm not unusual.

MikeWhite

BOWFER said:

I'm 54 and I'm glad I'm more open to new tech than many my age.
I'm also glad I will never have to visit a petrol station again.
This £1.40 of electricity per 90-100 miles of range along with a far more pleasant drive is ace, I wouldn't go back to ICE and only a matter of time until my wife's diesel gets the bung and she's in an EV too.

I'm 56 and I'd have an EV tomorrow if I had the £

BOWFER

MikeWhite said:

BOWFER said:

I'm 54 and I'm glad I'm more open to new tech than many my age.
I'm also glad I will never have to visit a petrol station again.
This £1.40 of electricity per 90-100 miles of range along with a far more pleasant drive is ace, I wouldn't go back to ICE and only a matter of time until my wife's diesel gets the bung and she's in an EV too.

I'm 56 and I'd have an EV tomorrow if I had the £

You'd maybe be surprised what you'd get one for.
£5000 for a very decent EV is feasible.
Of course if you have a lower budget than that, or you want a fancy EV, that's a different argument.

RichardD1970

MikeWhite said:

BOWFER said:

I'm 54 and I'm glad I'm more open to new tech than many my age.
I'm also glad I will never have to visit a petrol station again.
This £1.40 of electricity per 90-100 miles of range along with a far more pleasant drive is ace, I wouldn't go back to ICE and only a matter of time until my wife's diesel gets the bung and she's in an EV too.

I'm 56 and I'd have an EV tomorrow if I had the £

I'm 51 and the same. My next car, in a few years will almost definitely be one.Currently liking the looks of the Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ionic5

Grumpy_chap

Deleted_User said:

 "ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP TO RECHARGE FOR X HOURS @ "over the odds" per KW of electricity"

Why do you think the electricity will be charged at "over the odds"?  When I was looking into EV's pre-COVID, the energy cost per mile using public chargers was similar to the fuel cost for petrol.  Obviously, at home cost per mile for electricity is much cheaper.  I could probably get cheaper "at home" fuelling for an ICE if I invested in bulk storage.

Stopping to recharge is only an issue on a long journey, so I should be stopping in any case for the sake of safety and convenience.

BOWFER

RichardD1970 said:

MikeWhite said:

BOWFER said:

I'm 54 and I'm glad I'm more open to new tech than many my age.
I'm also glad I will never have to visit a petrol station again.
This £1.40 of electricity per 90-100 miles of range along with a far more pleasant drive is ace, I wouldn't go back to ICE and only a matter of time until my wife's diesel gets the bung and she's in an EV too.

I'm 56 and I'd have an EV tomorrow if I had the £

I'm 51 and the same. My next car, in a few years will almost definitely be one.Currently liking the looks of the Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ionic5

The Ioniq 5 is so, so cool.
But it's flipping HUGE, far bigger than I need and it means I just can't justify the extra expense over the Leaf.
Leafs are a bargain right now and still drive as well as other EVS, even if the interior is less 'screeny'