Electric car charging points to be installed at ALL new properties

troffasky

coffeehound said:

• We have set out an ambitious package of measures to ensure we build the right homes in the right places and level up opportunities across the country. This includes nearly £20 billion of investment in new housing as confirmed in the Spending Review, including over £12 billion of investment in affordable housing

Wouldn't that suggest affordable housing makes up the majority?

The obvious health warning about that quote is that it's from a government press release.

NFB comment on this:

https://www.builders.org.uk/news/12-billion-boost-for-affordable-homes/

"...Delivered over 5 years from 2021 to 2026, it is expected to provide up to 180,000 new homes across the country."

So that's a target of providing funding for 36000 per year, which is not the same as a plan for building 36000 per year.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7747/

We've averaged over 200000 a year for the past 5 years [and targets are for >300000 new homes per year], so affordable housing is not a majority, or even near it.

https://www.knightfrank.com/wealthreport/2020-11-26-net-additional-dwellings-rise-1-in-20192020-before-covid-impact-

troffasky

user1977 said:

Deleted_User said:

What about properties without garages or parking spaces ?

If they don't have parking spaces that's presumably because they're deemed to be for occupation by non-car-owners, so why would they need charging points?

This story is based on questions in parliament answered by Rachel Maclean:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-09-09/debates/1BAEA2B3-28C0-413D-BDFF-57FB7CB2443E/ElectricVehicleChargingInfrastructure#contribution-E95CEB31-8429-4A1E-9FBA-4D430B8B7ECC

and The Transport Decarbonisation Plan which was published in July 2019:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/818810/electric-vehicle-charging-in-residential-and-non-residential-buildings.pdf

I don't know where the "from next year" assertion comes from. There is no specific mention of 2022 in the TDP [which is only a consultation document anyway, not an actual bill]. This story seems quite misleading, to me.

Anyway, to the actual question, if they don't have parking spaces, the it's not relevant, because the proposal is:

"We propose a requirement of a chargepoint in every new home with an associated parking space"

If it doesn't have an associated parking space, then it's not covered by this proposal.

TELLIT01

I read today that the intention is for all new chargers to automatically cut off during peak power usage periods.

shinytop

TELLIT01 said:

I read today that the intention is for all new chargers to automatically cut off during peak power usage periods.

Sounds like a great idea to throttle demand when most EVs don't need to be charged. It also says that this will be a default setting that can be overridden.  But these peaks are going to become expensive and you don't want to be charging your EV at 30 or 40p per kWh. 

[Deleted User]

TELLIT01 said:

I read today that the intention is for all new chargers to automatically cut off during peak power usage periods.

And why is that ?

Because the grid can't cope with the additional load - which is exactly what I said to start with

[Deleted User]

user1977 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Ectophile said:

With the exception of some town/city centre areas, dedicated parking spages are pretty much a requirement for new homes.  Without them, the development won't get planning permission.  So requiring EV chargers isn't a problem there.

Does the combination of the Local Authority "car-free" requirement plus the Government "EV charger" requirement mean that houses will be built with a charge point but no parking????

Like I said above, if they're deemed to be for the occupation of non-car-owners, why would they need charging points?

So you are now saying that people who live in affordable housing are not allowed to own their own new vehicles - since IC engines are going out of the window within 10 years - the only option (other than bus/train) for long distance travel for these people will be EV - But NOT if they are not entitled to charge them at home.....

[Deleted User]

user1977 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Ectophile said:

With the exception of some town/city centre areas, dedicated parking spages are pretty much a requirement for new homes.  Without them, the development won't get planning permission.  So requiring EV chargers isn't a problem there.

Does the combination of the Local Authority "car-free" requirement plus the Government "EV charger" requirement mean that houses will be built with a charge point but no parking????

Like I said above, if they're deemed to be for the occupation of non-car-owners, why would they need charging points?

  Because - At the moment, there are many 100,000's of people living in flats and other homes without dedicated parking spaces (in fact, I know of several with no parking at all) that still own cars, that they are forced  to park some distance from their homes - just leaving the cars parked by the side of the road - since the cars run on a liquid called petrol, which is simple and almost instantaneous to refill with at a petrol station, this is done without difficulty - now, in perhaps 15 years time - five years after the last IC engined car has been produced and more and more people will be looking to buy their replacement transport - no one will have any options any longer - so what will these residents do for transport and more importantly - how will they refuel their EVs at reasonable cost ?

Grumpy_chap

Deleted_User said:

how will they refuel their EVs at reasonable cost ?

Who says they will?
I cannot refuel my ICE at reasonable cost presently as taxation policy of successive Governments have seen to it that fuel costs for a car are prohibitive to discourage use.

user1977

Deleted_User said:

user1977 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Ectophile said:

With the exception of some town/city centre areas, dedicated parking spages are pretty much a requirement for new homes.  Without them, the development won't get planning permission.  So requiring EV chargers isn't a problem there.

Does the combination of the Local Authority "car-free" requirement plus the Government "EV charger" requirement mean that houses will be built with a charge point but no parking????

Like I said above, if they're deemed to be for the occupation of non-car-owners, why would they need charging points?

  Because - At the moment, there are many 100,000's of people living in flats and other homes without dedicated parking spaces (in fact, I know of several with no parking at all) that still own cars, that they are forced  to park some distance from their homes - just leaving the cars parked by the side of the road - since the cars run on a liquid called petrol, which is simple and almost instantaneous to refill with at a petrol station, this is done without difficulty - now, in perhaps 15 years time - five years after the last IC engined car has been produced and more and more people will be looking to buy their replacement transport - no one will have any options any longer - so what will these residents do for transport and more importantly - how will they refuel their EVs at reasonable cost ?

I live in an area where almost nobody has off-street parking, and have noticed quite a few residents already have EVs, so they obviously manage already - in 15 years' time, how many more charging facilities do you think there'll be? I really don't get the notion that EVs are unmanageable unless you can charge them at home.

And it's also the sort of neighbourhood where the planners can reasonably argue that residents don't need their own car at all, like I said above - so it's perfectly feasible to manage with other modes of transport, if need be hire a car (pick one up from the city car club spaces nearby) on occasions where it would be useful.

Thrugelmir

Deleted_User said:

Evidently ALL new properties built from next year will have an electric vehicle charging point built installed https://mol.im/a/9976019

What concerns me is - is the national grid and local spurs up to the extra load ?

What about properties without garages or parking spaces ?

This won't work...

Sensible idea.  People with existing offroad parking will progressively add charging points too. The transition is underway.  Whatever challenges arise they'll need to be addressed.