Electric car charging points to be installed at ALL new properties

theoretica

Deleted_User said:

user1977 said:

Deleted_User said:

user1977 said:

Deleted_User said:

What about properties without garages or parking spaces ?

If they don't have parking spaces that's presumably because they're deemed to be for occupation by non-car-owners, so why would they need charging points?

There are plenty of properties (some built in the last 50 years) without any parking space close to the property 

Yes, but we're talking about developments being proposed now. They're not likely to get consent without parking spaces, other than in the sort of urban areas where the residents can easily get away without a car (in which case they're likely to be excluded from residents parking schemes and the like).

What about flats - they tend not to have gardens and often have shared parking spaces (even new builds)

Are flat residents not allowed to have cars ?

It doesn't seem impossible to put EV charging in shared parking spaces.

coffeehound

Keep_pedalling said:

coffeehound said:

One slight wrinkle with this is that the majority of new builds will be affordable housing 

Really? I don’t see too many affordable homes among the many being constructed around here.

I'm not delving into the data but recent headlines were

• We have set out an ambitious package of measures to ensure we build the right homes in the right places and level up opportunities across the country. This includes nearly £20 billion of investment in new housing as confirmed in the Spending Review, including over £12 billion of investment in affordable housing

Wouldn't that suggest affordable housing makes up the majority?

troffasky

Grumpy_chap said:

13 amps is only about 2.8 - 3kW charger.

Fast chargers are around 7.2 - 7.5 kW, 32 Amps.

And not even 13A - "Mode 2" charging from a 13A [BS1363] socket is a mere 10A. But it's not really a problem, slower charging takes less of a toll on the battery.

I would be content to trickle charge at home [if you can call 2.3kW trickle charging]; aim to keep the car about half full, charge it all the way to 100% if a longer journey is in the offing. If an unforeseen longer trip is necessary, cook the battery charge a fast public charger en route.

Grumpy_chap

Ectophile said:

With the exception of some town/city centre areas, dedicated parking spages are pretty much a requirement for new homes.  Without them, the development won't get planning permission.  So requiring EV chargers isn't a problem there.

Really?!  

This may vary between areas but in our area, and the Local Authority being of a particular persuasion, they have only readily approved building that makes zero provision for car parking for many years. 

This is right back to the Thatcher "Yuppie" era, where they approved the build (on a former car park) of flats targeted at the "highly affluent week-day commuter who works in the city all week and returns to the country estate for the weekend" and even these were specifically approved on the basis that there was no car parking on the development and resident permits were not permitted.  The Council believed it would be good to bring in high earners to boost the area.  The idea failed as, frankly, the stated target market would want a more central week-day "pad" and needed somewhere to park the Porsche 911.

The latest aspiration of the Council is that all new build will be "car-free" developments making no provision for off-street parking and precluded from residents parking schemes combined with narrow roads that do not support on-street parking.

Does the combination of the Local Authority "car-free" requirement plus the Government "EV charger" requirement mean that houses will be built with a charge point but no parking????

Norman_Castle

coffeehound said:

One slight wrinkle with this is that the majority of new builds will be affordable housing -- for the demographic least likely to own an electric car in the foreseeable future.  Perhaps at this stage they could instead include basic provisioning for the future without the actual charger being installed?

If the aim is to encourage and enable electric car usage not providing the means to charge electric vehicles to people on lower incomes would simply discourage them further. Its also likely a fair proportion of the cost would be labour so the savings would be minimal.

[Deleted User]

Deleted_User said:

Evidently ALL new properties built from next year will have an electric vehicle charging point built installed https://mol.im/a/9976019

What concerns me is - is the national grid and local spurs up to the extra load ?

What about properties without garages or parking spaces ?

This won't work...

Some places I've seen the charger is unusable because there is no driveway. Would hand to trail the cable over the pavement.

But then again most new houses are unfit for human habitation anyway.

Dr_Crypto

Some of you lot are channeling the energy of the stable owners when cars were invented! 

“You’ll never have petrol stations everywhere. Just stick with these horses for now. You can feed them at any stables.” 

“What range do these cars have? You can change horses at any inn!” 

molerat

Grumpy_chap said:

Ectophile said:

With the exception of some town/city centre areas, dedicated parking spages are pretty much a requirement for new homes.  Without them, the development won't get planning permission.  So requiring EV chargers isn't a problem there.

Really?!  

This may vary between areas but in our area, and the Local Authority being of a particular persuasion, they have only readily approved building that makes zero provision for car parking for many years. 

This is right back to the Thatcher "Yuppie" era, where they approved the build (on a former car park) of flats targeted at the "highly affluent week-day commuter who works in the city all week and returns to the country estate for the weekend" and even these were specifically approved on the basis that there was no car parking on the development and resident permits were not permitted.  The Council believed it would be good to bring in high earners to boost the area.  The idea failed as, frankly, the stated target market would want a more central week-day "pad" and needed somewhere to park the Porsche 911.

The latest aspiration of the Council is that all new build will be "car-free" developments making no provision for off-street parking and precluded from residents parking schemes combined with narrow roads that do not support on-street parking.

Does the combination of the Local Authority "car-free" requirement plus the Government "EV charger" requirement mean that houses will be built with a charge point but no parking????

You won't get PP here if the plan does not include 2 off road spaces per property for houses. 

theoretica

coffeehound said:

• We have set out an ambitious package of measures to ensure we build the right homes in the right places and level up opportunities across the country. This includes nearly £20 billion of investment in new housing as confirmed in the Spending Review, including over £12 billion of investment in affordable housing

Wouldn't that suggest affordable housing makes up the majority?

That suggests more than half of *government support* goes to affordable housing - but I don't think it says anything about building by developers without government investment.

user1977

Grumpy_chap said:

Ectophile said:

With the exception of some town/city centre areas, dedicated parking spages are pretty much a requirement for new homes.  Without them, the development won't get planning permission.  So requiring EV chargers isn't a problem there.

Does the combination of the Local Authority "car-free" requirement plus the Government "EV charger" requirement mean that houses will be built with a charge point but no parking????

Like I said above, if they're deemed to be for the occupation of non-car-owners, why would they need charging points?