£7-£8k for Aircon system

doodling

Hi,

markin said:

Mikeyboy01443 said:

didnt read all the thread (too long) but i had aircon installed a couple of years ago, daikin split systems, 2 out door units 4 indoor units... i use them for heating and cooling, but one of the first replies in this thread was, you need planning permission - that wasnt my experience, one company stated this to me but no one else did, it sounded like rubbish so i rang the council and building control etc, they confirmed that i did not need any planning permission to install. but it may be different for different areas!

The law is always changing.

In this case it hasn't changed for a while.

You do need planning permission if the system is capable of cooling.

See part 14, section G (notably G.3) of the General Permitted Development Order.

Swipe

I had two Daikin 3.5K splits heat and cooling at my last house without seeking planning permission for 13 years. No questions asked.

markin

doodling said:

Hi,

markin said:

Mikeyboy01443 said:

didnt read all the thread (too long) but i had aircon installed a couple of years ago, daikin split systems, 2 out door units 4 indoor units... i use them for heating and cooling, but one of the first replies in this thread was, you need planning permission - that wasnt my experience, one company stated this to me but no one else did, it sounded like rubbish so i rang the council and building control etc, they confirmed that i did not need any planning permission to install. but it may be different for different areas!

The law is always changing.

In this case it hasn't changed for a while.

You do need planning permission if the system is capable of cooling.

See part 14, section G (notably G.3) of the General Permitted Development Order.

Changed April 2015, Seems like just yesterday!

Here's some important parts that mean you almost always need planning.

Development not permitted

G.1

Development is not permitted by Class G unless the air source heat pump complies with the MCS Planning Standards or equivalent standards.

G.2

Development is not permitted by Class G if—

(a)

in the case of the installation of an air source heat pump, the development would result in the presence of more than 1 air source heat pump on the same building or within the curtilage of the building or block of flats;

(e)

any part of the air source heat pump would be installed within 1 metre of the boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse or block of flats

G.3

Development is permitted by Class G subject to the

following conditions—

(a) the air source heat pump is used solely for heating purposes;

(b) the air source heat pump is, so far as practicable, sited so as to minimise its effect on the external appearance of the building;

(c) the air source heat pump is, so far as practicable, sited so as to minimise its effect on the amenity of the area

 
 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/596/pdfs/uksi_20150596_en.pdf

Mikeyboy01443

That seems to refer to ASHP - I emailed my local building control and explained specifically what i was installing (a few split systems) and their reply was:


"Is the installer a competent person, and a member of a self-certification scheme. If so, you can continue and we would not be involved."

QrizB

Mikeyboy01443 said:

That seems to refer to ASHP - I emailed my local building control and explained specifically what i was installing (a few split systems) and their reply was:
"Is the installer a competent person, and a member of a self-certification scheme. If so, you can continue and we would not be involved."

Building Control is not Planning. They are two different departments and two different sets of regulations.

Swipe said:

I had two Daikin 3.5K splits heat and cooling at my last house without seeking planning permission for 13 years. No questions asked.

Notwithstanding any changes in legislation since then, if you can get away with a planning violation for (I think) four years, the LA can no longer take enforcement action.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/8/section/171B

(I'm not any sort of expert, so don't go building a mock Gothic mansion on my say-so.)

doodling

Hi,

Mikeyboy01443 said:

That seems to refer to ASHP - I emailed my local building control and explained specifically what i was installing (a few split systems) and their reply was:


"Is the installer a competent person, and a member of a self-certification scheme. If so, you can continue and we would not be involved."

As QrizB has pointed out, building control and planning are two different departments enforcing two different sets of regulations 

With respect to planning permission you are correct that the reference is to a section devoted to ASHP.  In general, planning permission is required unless the development is expressly permitted.  In this context, only ASHP has express permission and that permission doesn't apply to a system capable of cooling.

ispookie666

The only way Councils would get involved is - if they get a noise complaint or some one complains about the actual units.   The other way to look at it, if the council asks - you can always disconnect the units!  
Noise from these units can be a perpetual problem with no limitation as to when complaints can be received.  

Mikeyboy01443

They are so quiet now i dont how anyone could complain really, my neighbours hoover or boiler is noisier!
And the only reason i mentioned building control,  as opposed to planning permission, was that when i was getting quotes one guy told me that i HAVE to notify building control and if anyone says i dont, they are cowboys... or words to that effect.
Which is why i contacted them myself. They didnt mention planning permission either, not even a "have you checked if you need planning?"

ispookie666

@Mikeyboy01443 As time goes, these will get noisier.  The noise producing equipment should be < 3dB of ambient noise level.  The Environmental officer will likely take the lowest ambient noise level to be at night!  
I really hope the government changes legislation at least to permit single units/outdoor units without planning permission.  

danrv

My semi detached property is on a corner plot with the next property about 17 meters away. The Close is very quiet, even silent. A neighbour just across from me said they can hear the unit. 
Mostly when it’s cold as the noise level increases as it works harder. I don’t use the cooling mode at night.