Poor TV internet signal

neilmcl

Arsenal2019 said:

RumRat said:

No one asked yet who your internet provider is?
Some of them guarantee Wi-Fi reception BT, Virgin etc and have equipment/solutions if you are not getting good coverage.

I’m with talk talk. 

I have good internet connection all around my house, it’s just the internet connection to this TV upstairs. What makes it even harder to grasp is that my Xbox is underneath the TV upstairs, and that runs smoothly on the internet 

Nothing difficult to grasp, your Xbox has a much better wifi aerial/receiver than your TV and a TV hung on a wall isn't the best place to get a good signal. Is your router dual band, does your Xbox connect via 5Ghz?

Arsenal2019

[Deleted User] said:

Arsenal2019 said:

neilmcl said:

Arsenal2019 said:

Sooooo, in regards to me trying a WiFi extender / booster / adapter or whatever else there is. What do people think may be the best option for me with my WiFi router been downstairs. Preferably one that’s wireless 

What can you afford. Wifi extenders do a job but a Mesh system is better.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Deco-E4-Seamless-Replacement/dp/B07NWBPYBX/ref=sr_1_10

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Deco-E4-Seamless-Replacement/dp/B07RXLF5XZ/ref=sr_1_3

with WiFi extenders, aren’t I right in thinking they go in the middle/between the router and my desired location (TV)... and am I right in thinking this may cause packet loss?- which would be horrendous for gaming?

therefore would WiFi boosters or power line adapters be better?

Wifi extenders / booster / repeaters are all terms used to describe the same thing. They all act as a middle man between the main router and the device you are trying to connect - so the data will be sent to the wifi extender then forwarded on to the device. And vice versa, data from the device sent to the extender then forwarded on the to main router.

How they act as the middle man can vary:

• Typically they re-transmit the data on the same SSID / band and channel as the main router which means they add congestion to the wifi bandwidth so can sometimes cause performance (top speed) to drop but will improve the signal strength for the device that is connected.
• They can be re-configured to use a different band / channel to avoid the above.
• The can be configured with a different SSID to selectively connect devices.
• You can hard wire the wifi extender to the main router - this would typically be called a wifi access point.
• You can hard wire the extender to the device for example and this would be called a wifi bridge

Anyway, your point about packet loss, if you are concerned about that, please only use wired Ethernet which is the closest you will get to zero packet loss - I really do urge people to use Ethernet wires for gaming and non-mobile devices for best performance. They are also the cheapest solution, just takes a bit of thought to install but you will never regret it.

In terms of gaming - both Wifi and Powerline adaptors will add lag and ping times will increase - on my network, wired ethernet is 7ms ping and wifi is 11ms so not a massive difference but it is very high spec, but add a wifi extender and it will increase again.

Powerline is bottom of the list, whilst convenient, they are sending data along "dirty cables" full of noise and interference from household appliances and are most likely to cause packet loss and lag.

In summary order of preference:
Wired ethernet > wifi > wifi repeaters > powerline

Okay that’s cleared it up a bit!
Am I able to hard wire one part of the WiFi extender into the back of the TV and/or Xbox?

if so, I presume one half of the extender goes into the router downstairs, whilst I connect the other half of the extender upstairs to the tv/console with Ethernet cable 

Arsenal2019

neilmcl said:

Arsenal2019 said:

RumRat said:

No one asked yet who your internet provider is?
Some of them guarantee Wi-Fi reception BT, Virgin etc and have equipment/solutions if you are not getting good coverage.

I’m with talk talk. 

I have good internet connection all around my house, it’s just the internet connection to this TV upstairs. What makes it even harder to grasp is that my Xbox is underneath the TV upstairs, and that runs smoothly on the internet 

Nothing difficult to grasp, your Xbox has a much better wifi aerial/receiver than your TV and a TV hung on a wall isn't the best place to get a good signal. Is your router dual band, does your Xbox connect via 5Ghz?

But the TV downstairs is on the wall, but then again, the tv is near to the router.

I have the Talk Talk WiFi Hub.
Wi-Fi technology:2.4GHz Wi-Fi (802.11 b/g/n) and MU-MIMO 5GHz Wi-Fi (802.11 a/n/ac)

And I am not too sure about how my Xbox connects 

getmore4less

How much can you move your router?

neilmcl

Arsenal2019 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Arsenal2019 said:

neilmcl said:

Arsenal2019 said:

Sooooo, in regards to me trying a WiFi extender / booster / adapter or whatever else there is. What do people think may be the best option for me with my WiFi router been downstairs. Preferably one that’s wireless 

What can you afford. Wifi extenders do a job but a Mesh system is better.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Deco-E4-Seamless-Replacement/dp/B07NWBPYBX/ref=sr_1_10

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Deco-E4-Seamless-Replacement/dp/B07RXLF5XZ/ref=sr_1_3

with WiFi extenders, aren’t I right in thinking they go in the middle/between the router and my desired location (TV)... and am I right in thinking this may cause packet loss?- which would be horrendous for gaming?

therefore would WiFi boosters or power line adapters be better?

Wifi extenders / booster / repeaters are all terms used to describe the same thing. They all act as a middle man between the main router and the device you are trying to connect - so the data will be sent to the wifi extender then forwarded on to the device. And vice versa, data from the device sent to the extender then forwarded on the to main router.

How they act as the middle man can vary:

• Typically they re-transmit the data on the same SSID / band and channel as the main router which means they add congestion to the wifi bandwidth so can sometimes cause performance (top speed) to drop but will improve the signal strength for the device that is connected.
• They can be re-configured to use a different band / channel to avoid the above.
• The can be configured with a different SSID to selectively connect devices.
• You can hard wire the wifi extender to the main router - this would typically be called a wifi access point.
• You can hard wire the extender to the device for example and this would be called a wifi bridge

Anyway, your point about packet loss, if you are concerned about that, please only use wired Ethernet which is the closest you will get to zero packet loss - I really do urge people to use Ethernet wires for gaming and non-mobile devices for best performance. They are also the cheapest solution, just takes a bit of thought to install but you will never regret it.

In terms of gaming - both Wifi and Powerline adaptors will add lag and ping times will increase - on my network, wired ethernet is 7ms ping and wifi is 11ms so not a massive difference but it is very high spec, but add a wifi extender and it will increase again.

Powerline is bottom of the list, whilst convenient, they are sending data along "dirty cables" full of noise and interference from household appliances and are most likely to cause packet loss and lag.

In summary order of preference:
Wired ethernet > wifi > wifi repeaters > powerline

Okay that’s cleared it up a bit!
Am I able to hard wire one part of the WiFi extender into the back of the TV and/or Xbox?

if so, I presume one half of the extender goes into the router downstairs, whilst I connect the other half of the extender upstairs to the tv/console with Ethernet cable 

You may as well just use a powerline adapter.

neilmcl

Arsenal2019 said:

neilmcl said:

Arsenal2019 said:

RumRat said:

No one asked yet who your internet provider is?
Some of them guarantee Wi-Fi reception BT, Virgin etc and have equipment/solutions if you are not getting good coverage.

I’m with talk talk. 

I have good internet connection all around my house, it’s just the internet connection to this TV upstairs. What makes it even harder to grasp is that my Xbox is underneath the TV upstairs, and that runs smoothly on the internet 

Nothing difficult to grasp, your Xbox has a much better wifi aerial/receiver than your TV and a TV hung on a wall isn't the best place to get a good signal. Is your router dual band, does your Xbox connect via 5Ghz?

But the TV downstairs is on the wall, but then again, the tv is near to the router.

I have the Talk Talk WiFi Hub.
Wi-Fi technology:2.4GHz Wi-Fi (802.11 b/g/n) and MU-MIMO 5GHz Wi-Fi (802.11 a/n/ac)

And I am not too sure about how my Xbox connects 

If it's an Xbox One or above it can connect via 5Ghz, whether it currently does or not is a different matter. If you tell us the model of TV then we can check which bands that can connect via?

getmore4less

Worth checking if you can use the Xbox as a WiFi bridge to connect the TV to that.

Username03725

You've said you don't want cable running across your house, but that's what I did, sort of. There's a a bit of prep and it assumes you can use a drill, are aware of not drilling through mains cables and are happy to knock a couple of holes in your walls, but it's a) cheap and b) very effective.

From Wickes or similar buy two x Ethernet faceplates and 2 x std steel wall boxes to match - about a tenner, and some cable clips.
On Amazon source a roll of Ethernet cable, I can see some at about £20 for 50m, you might not need that much but it's cheaper in bulk. You want a reel, not a length made up with a plug at each end.
In the same site find an Ethernet terminal insertion tool, from about a fiver.

Mount one steel wall box in the room where the router is, drill through the wall and run the cable to the outside using the cable clips and round the house & up the wall to the room where the tv is. Mount the other steel box in that room with a hole from outside to in.
Make off the cable at the source end by the router (instructions for how and which colour goes where are easily available online)  and screw the faceplate to the box. Looks good huh? Leave a loop of cable inside to allow remakes and for easier access.
Make off the cable in the target room, as per source. Fit faceplate to wall box.
Seal the hole at each end into the wall with some suitable sealant.
Run a normal ethernet cable from the router to the new wall socket, and one from the other wall socket to the tv. 
If you want to run more than one device off the wall plate, add a switch - e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SG105S-Ethernet-Lifetime-Warranty/dp/B07HP5TN4S

I did this to get ethernet into the conservatory when I was working from home in there and the Wi-Fi was hopeless. Solved, still good 6 years on albeit I don't work in there now. Someone will be along soon to insist that you can only use special outdoor Ethernet cable; I used some spare from a project at work and it's still good, but it's up to you.

RumRat

Look in the TV settings - Network and see if you have a choice of 2Ghz and 5Ghz WiFi, if you have change it to the one you are not on now and see if that makes a difference......Simple things first.

Arsenal2019

getmore4less said:

How much can you move your router?

I can move it another two metres, but that would be into the middle of the room. Where it is now it’s on top of a unit