Received a parking charge because the parking permit slipped and was not fully visible

D_P_Dance

Once again, I want to clarify that I didn't ignore your advice. I contrasted the information given here with other sources,

and then ignored  it.  Stop blaming CAB, youy are at fault for failing to do enough research.  Dis you not visit Trust Pilot

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.citizensadvice.org.uk

ritwolf

D_P_Dance said:

Once again, I want to clarify that I didn't ignore your advice. I contrasted the information given here with other sources,

and then ignored  it.  Stop blaming CAB, youy are at fault for failing to do enough research.  Dis you not visit Trust Pilot

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.citizensadvice.org.uk

I wasn't aware of this, it didn't come to mind checking them in Trustpilot.
Thank you for sharing it, and I agree and stand corrected, I accept it's my fault for not doing enough research.

D_P_Dance

I hope that, next time you get ticketed, and you surely will, you follow our advice to the letter, no CAB, no divorce lawyers, and no man in the pub.  

ritwolf

D_P_Dance said:

I hope that, next time you get ticketed, and you surely will, you follow our advice to the letter, no CAB, no divorce lawyers, and no man in the pub.  

Yes, I will definitely do.

Just one last question, by paying this time... have I not set a precedent for them where they can legally challenge my potential Primacy of Contract (i.e. by paying I admit they have rights over the parking space)?

Le_Kirk

You might have set yourself up as a "cash cow" and they might assume "mug" is printed across your forehead but your primacy of contract is your primacy of contract.  If you have to defend yourself paying you can say that you were harassed, lied to, frightened (whatever else you felt when you received the letters) and paid to protect yourself from this unnecessary intrusion.

nosferatu1001

As above
Dont paniuc too much, but you are now a target for them. They have a 100% record of you paying their demands

Umkomaas

D_P_Dance said:

Once again, I want to clarify that I didn't ignore your advice. I contrasted the information given here with other sources,

and then ignored  it.  Stop blaming CAB, youy are at fault for failing to do enough research.  Dis you not visit Trust Pilot

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.citizensadvice.org.uk

Arthur123 sums them up in his review (certainly if applied in a private parking context) :

These places are not really worth a visit. Having spent 45 years dealing with disputes I can tell you that in most cases you will be sat in front of someone with little or no practical knowledge who will either send you away with flimsy advice because they know no better or will give poor or wrong advice. Most of the time they will sit and listen, smile and look sympathetic, and hand you bits of paper and ask you to contact someone else or visit a website.
It is free and as a result it is useless because free attracts people who just want to feel helpful or fancy themselves as some sort of expert. 
In the very beginning these places had lawyers, qualified accountants, engineers, bank managers and many other people who really knew their stuff and their practical knowledge and advice based on years of experience was gold dust.
Now you are more likely to get a scruffy wannabee without a clue what they are talking about who will tell you what you already know or what you could have found out in two minutes on the internet.
Give them a wide berth unless you are bored or lonely and fancy a chat with a smiley person.

Nice one, Arf! 😊

D_P_Dance

Some years ago I offered myself as a volunteer as I had spent 20 years or so as a Consul getting people out of scrapes in various cess pits  east of Calais.  

Howrever, they wanted me to attend diversity courses, look at ink blots, fill in questionnaires, etc. ad infinitie.  IMO they are not looking for hands on doers, they are looking for woke snowflakes.

Umkomaas

they are looking for woke snowflakes.

One of which you are certainly not!

Fruitcake

ritwolf said:

D_P_Dance said:

The problem with the PPCs is that people pay them, the problem is that the judges let them get away with abuse of process, wasting  court time,  and not punishing incompetent  lawyers.  You are in the position you are is because you ignored our advice.

Once again, I want to clarify that I didn't ignore your advice. I contrasted the information given here with other sources, and took a decision based on the information I was able to gather, with my limited experience and understanding of PPCs at the time.

I am in this position because I didn't know that the advice offered by Citizens Advice is wrong, and how would I? This is the first time I face an abusive charge like this, and I'd always seen Citizens Advice as a reliable entity.

The very first reply to your original post on this thread told you what to do, but you did ignore that advice. I'm not blaming you for asking CAB, but you chose to ignore the advice on this forum and believed the utter borax spouted by CAB instead.
The advice on the "Official" MSE parking page is just as pants. We have tried and tried for years to get it changed but to no avail.
We can't even get the name of this forum changed to remove the word "fines".

When you get another PCN, and if it ends up in court, at least you will be able to honestly say, "I believed the information I was given by CAB, but now realise it was completely incorrect."

You then go on to fight using your primacy of contract as your main weapon. You really should be hammering the MA or whoever employed the scammers to infest your residence. Many places have formed fightback groups to either stop scammers being brought in, or forcing them out in some places.
The MA are jointly liable for the actions of their agents, so need to be educated, and forced to be defend their actions in any litigation against residents.