Help regarding car I bought on finance, that’s modified.

Mikej92

AdrianC said:

Mikej92 said:

williamgriffin said:

So instead of arguing on here, why not jump in the car and return it to the dealer with a letter of rejection? I would act quick before your insurance is cancelled leading to further problems and costs.

I would of hoped it was that simple

It is.

I purchased the car from 200 miles away

That's not the vendor's problem, unless they delivered it.

the finance company is now dealing with it (Still in tier 4 lockdown here, and police are monitoring the motorways highly). 
My only way is getting the vehicle transported, but without any written/formal information accepting the car back, i cant go ahead yet.

Unless you return it physically, you are in a vicious circle.
If the retailer and/or financier don't accept the rejection, then you won't return it.
If you don't return it, you cannot escalate the claim for your money to court, and are relying on the retailer and/or financier accepting the rejection.

If you feel better getting it transported, then get it transported. Quid a mile is around the going rate.

I guess so, I just feel there will be tension when I got to the dealer, He's not a nice guy to deal with thus far.
Yeah, guess that could also impact things if I do not return myself also

Grumpy_chap

Mikej92 said:

Yes I bought the first one.
I'm unsure whether its part of an MOT or not, But it is definitely and MOT failure. 

Only if the exhaust is dropped to look (which is not part of the MOT), or the emissions fail.  Given the car passed an MOT the morning of purchase, the absence of the DPF is not, absolutely and directly, an MOT fail.

This is getting very hard to follow:

• OP specifically wanted a Focus ST
• Despite having never seen one?
• Then travelled 200 miles to buy the first one seen. 
• Why not at least view others first to get a comparison as to what "normal" is?
• Focus ST is one of the most modified cars about.

Sounds like some buyers remorse.
What was it that attracted the OP to the Focus ST?  That he'd never seen one before, but made it so he desperately needed to have one?

Hasbeen

Op from the advice given. It does look that you will have to take it back to dealer. ASAP.

In one of your posts you stated that Ford showed you on the ECU that the DPF had been removed?

In another post you stated that you had been underneath the car and it had no silencers?

Have you actually seen the cut out / reweld part yourself, have Ford actually removed the exhaust to show you?

Sorry perhaps missed that post as the 3 threads are still running.

Mikej92

Grumpy_chap said:

Mikej92 said:

Yes I bought the first one.
I'm unsure whether its part of an MOT or not, But it is definitely and MOT failure. 

Only if the exhaust is dropped to look (which is not part of the MOT), or the emissions fail.  Given the car passed an MOT the morning of purchase, the absence of the DPF is not, absolutely and directly, an MOT fail.

This is getting very hard to follow:

• OP specifically wanted a Focus ST
• Despite having never seen one?
• Then travelled 200 miles to buy the first one seen. 
• Why not at least view others first to get a comparison as to what "normal" is?
• Focus ST is one of the most modified cars about.

Sounds like some buyers remorse.
What was it that attracted the OP to the Focus ST?  That he'd never seen one before, but made it so he desperately needed to have one?

👍

Mikej92

Hasbeen said:

Op from the advice given. It does look that you will have to take it back to dealer. ASAP.

In one of your posts you stated that Ford showed you on the ECU that the DPF had been removed?

In another post you stated that you had been underneath the car and it had no silencers?

Have you actually seen the cut out / reweld part yourself, have Ford actually removed the exhaust to show you?

Sorry perhaps missed that post as the 3 threads are still running.

No, what I said was the DPF had been seen to be tampered with, and that information being known, the Ford specialist also said that it would also need ecu tuning in partnership to the DPF removal, or the car will throw error codes etc on the dash.

I’ll get a second opinion though, I’m hoping the garage it’s parked at today will be able to give a second confirmation of it.

williamgriffin

What have the finance company said?

DiddyDavies

When the ECU settings are changed, does it store the date and time that this modification was carried out?
I've never had anything to do with these so have no idea.

Mikej92

Looks like I’ve just found some evidence (hopefully) that the dealers ‘inspector’ would of seen the exhaust and DPF delete.

going through the pre inspection document, ‘exhaust condition’ is ticked as being completely fine, my understanding is, the exhaust would be from the manifold, back to the rear silencer ? Or am I wrong ? The DPF would be in between that ?

please correct me if I’m wrong.

williamgriffin

Mikej92 said:

Looks like I’ve just found some evidence (hopefully) that the dealers ‘inspector’ would of seen the exhaust and DPF delete.

going through the pre inspection document, ‘exhaust condition’ is ticked as being completely fine, my understanding is, the exhaust would be from the manifold, back to the rear silencer ? Or am I wrong ? The DPF would be in between that ?

please correct me if I’m wrong.

Evidence of what?

The car has an exhaust that isn't leaking and the emissions are within mot tolerances.

Unless you've blanked out the personal details that could be for any vehicle.

DiddyDavies

By "exhaust system condition", they may simply be checking the attachment, visible condition and making sure that there are no leaks.
If they carry out this inspection the same as would be carried out during an MOT:

you must check the exhaust system of all vehicles with an internal combustion engine, including hybrid vehicles. You need to assess the overall security of the exhaust system. One or more missing or defective exhaust mountings does not necessarily make the exhaust insecure.

then they wouldn't even have looked at the DPF casing.