Goodbye to private motoring...from just 9 years?

Mickey666

Ectophile said:

Mickey666 said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

AdrianC said:

50Twuncle said:

Hold on to your IC engined car - epecially small economical ones with low vehicle tax 
Like mine - £30 pa (for life?) 

Nope, until the next budget.

The chancellor might choose to stay with the established inflationary VED increases. Or he might choose to change the basis on which VED is calculated for CO2-banded cars, 2001-2017.

There’s an inevitability about it, imho. ICE vehicles will become increasingly demonized in the coming months/years and they’ll be vulnerable to a whole swathe of targeted tax increases.

BBC this morning:-

Andrew Marr: “What is your overall view of where the economy is in terms of the big numbers...?”

Rishi Sunak: “...I can tell you it’s a very difficult picture”   

I suspect you’re right.  Just as large 4x4s in cities are demonised by many people today.
Another inevitability is some form of road or mileage pricing, because government will have to recover the lost taxes on petrol and diesel from somewhere.

Mickey666 said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

AdrianC said:

50Twuncle said:

Hold on to your IC engined car - epecially small economical ones with low vehicle tax 
Like mine - £30 pa (for life?) 

Nope, until the next budget.

The chancellor might choose to stay with the established inflationary VED increases. Or he might choose to change the basis on which VED is calculated for CO2-banded cars, 2001-2017.

There’s an inevitability about it, imho. ICE vehicles will become increasingly demonized in the coming months/years and they’ll be vulnerable to a whole swathe of targeted tax increases.

BBC this morning:-

Andrew Marr: “What is your overall view of where the economy is in terms of the big numbers...?”

Rishi Sunak: “...I can tell you it’s a very difficult picture”   

I suspect you’re right.  Just as large 4x4s in cities are demonised by many people today.
Another inevitability is some form of road or mileage pricing, because government will have to recover the lost taxes on petrol and diesel from somewhere.

That's because 4x4s are bigger, heavier, and almost all of them run on diesel.  So that makes them more polluting than almost any car of the same age.

And I do have a diesel 4x4.  The choice of bigger electric cars that can handle potholed tracks is very limited at the moment.  But I intend it to be the last diesel car I ever buy.

Only on a like-for-like basis.  A diesel 4x4 ‘second car’ used only for the school run and then towing horses to local competitions at weekends will be far less polluting than the ‘main car’ used by hubby to commute 50 miles to work each day.
I get your basic point but if we were truly serious about vehicle pollution then we’d scrap VED and put it on fuel instead, but that would be too unpopular.  Still the days of the ICE seem numbered so it’s all a bit moot.

Mickey666

facade said:

AdrianC said:

If only there was a 1.2 petrol 4x4 that seats four adults, averages 40mpg+, weighs just about exactly one ton, and is far more capable off-road than many far bigger diesel ones...

<looks out window>
Oh! Wow! Where DID that come from?

The same country as my 1.5 petrol 4x4 that seats 4 adults, averages high 30s (with a proper TC auto) weighs around one tonne empty, will tow 1300kg and is far more capable off-road than many far bigger diesel ones? 

Is that all?  Not much use with a 3500kg trailer then.

Dr_Crypto

Just stick with these stagecoaches. No way these trains will catch on. Where will all the tracks and stations come from? You can change horses at any inn. No need for these trains at all; London to York in 3 days is plenty fast enough. 

Petriix

The addiction to dinosaur juice is strong in this thread!

John_

AdrianC said:

Ectophile said:
That's because 4x4s are bigger, heavier, and almost all of them run on diesel.  So that makes them more polluting than almost any car of the same age.

And I do have a diesel 4x4.  The choice of bigger electric cars that can handle potholed tracks is very limited at the moment.  But I intend it to be the last diesel car I ever buy.

If only there was a 1.2 petrol 4x4 that seats four adults, averages 40mpg+, weighs just about exactly one ton, and is far more capable off-road than many far bigger diesel ones...

<looks out window>
Oh! Wow! Where DID that come from?

What’s that then?

I’ve a Range Rover Sport. Because I care about air quality I bought the Autobiography petrol V8, and because I also like my cars to have decent acceleration I then had the engine adjusted to increase the output to 650bhp, so I have the best of both worlds, the space and ability of a Range Rover and the performance of a sports car.

TooManyPoints

 Because I care about air quality...

er...

I bought the Autobiography petrol V8,

er...er...

I then had the engine adjusted to increase the output to 650bhp,

If you cared about air quality you'd do neither of those things. Still, it made me chuckle.

John_

TooManyPoints said:

 Because I care about air quality...

er...

I bought the Autobiography petrol V8,

er...er...

I then had the engine adjusted to increase the output to 650bhp,

If you cared about air quality you'd do neither of those things. Still, it made me chuckle.

Well, er, particulates then?..

rtho782

I'll leave the obvious points for others but if you can afford to buy, fuel, maintain, and repair that range rover sport, you can afford an EV, so the coming ban won't impact your ability to travel anyway.

A._Badger

rtho782 said:

I'll leave the obvious points for others but if you can afford to buy, fuel, maintain, and repair that range rover sport, you can afford an EV, so the coming ban won't impact your ability to travel anyway.

Unless he's happy being limited to journeys of a couple of hundred miles and doesn't need air conditioning or a heater...
 

AdrianC

John_ said:

AdrianC said:

Ectophile said:
That's because 4x4s are bigger, heavier, and almost all of them run on diesel.  So that makes them more polluting than almost any car of the same age.

And I do have a diesel 4x4.  The choice of bigger electric cars that can handle potholed tracks is very limited at the moment.  But I intend it to be the last diesel car I ever buy.

If only there was a 1.2 petrol 4x4 that seats four adults, averages 40mpg+, weighs just about exactly one ton, and is far more capable off-road than many far bigger diesel ones...

<looks out window>
Oh! Wow! Where DID that come from?

What’s that then?

I’ve a Range Rover Sport. Because I care about air quality I bought the Autobiography petrol V8, and because I also like my cars to have decent acceleration I then had the engine adjusted to increase the output to 650bhp, so I have the best of both worlds, the space and ability of a Range Rover and the performance of a sports car.

Sweetsand? Is that you?