Goodbye to private motoring...from just 9 years?

John_

A._Badger said:

rtho782 said:

I'll leave the obvious points for others but if you can afford to buy, fuel, maintain, and repair that range rover sport, you can afford an EV, so the coming ban won't impact your ability to travel anyway.

Unless he's happy being limited to journeys of a couple of hundred miles and doesn't need air conditioning or a heater...

That’s one of the main issues which I have with my Tesla. If I cruise at a “normal” autoroute speed then 200 miles is about as much as you can plan for, which means that you either have to take a convoluted route or drive at what feels like an unnaturally low speed.
I think that the tipping point for me to try again will be when I can do the 300 miles to my parents, in winter, with the heating on, at about 80mph on a single charge. Comfortably.

Were_Doomed

But the speed limit is 70 ............  
And drag (hence loss of efficiency) is proportional to the square of speed.  

John_

Were_Doomed said:

But the speed limit is 70 ............  
And drag (hence loss of efficiency) is proportional to the square of speed.  

Indeed, and I’ve suffered for my speed addiction, having an SP30 on my licence, and having been fined £100.

Crime doesn’t pay.

seatbeltnoob

50Twuncle said:

If the government gets its way 
We will not  be able to afford a new electric car -  so no more private motoring for 50% of the UK population.....
It was fun whilst it lasted wasn't it? 

it will be a very long time until all petrol cars are off the road. Sale of brand new will end petrol and diesel will end. But it will take a lot more to take fuel cars off the road. You see all these bangers that get scrapped because they fail MOT? Well they will no longer be worthless and will be worth saving and their values will go up and people will keep them on the road.

Biggus_Dickus

John_ said:

A._Badger said:

rtho782 said:

I'll leave the obvious points for others but if you can afford to buy, fuel, maintain, and repair that range rover sport, you can afford an EV, so the coming ban won't impact your ability to travel anyway.

Unless he's happy being limited to journeys of a couple of hundred miles and doesn't need air conditioning or a heater...

That’s one of the main issues which I have with my Tesla. If I cruise at a “normal” autoroute speed then 200 miles is about as much as you can plan for, which means that you either have to take a convoluted route or drive at what feels like an unnaturally low speed.
I think that the tipping point for me to try again will be when I can do the 300 miles to my parents, in winter, with the heating on, at about 80mph on a single charge. Comfortably.

...that’s quite a damning indictment of such an expensive and prestigious model. 

A._Badger

Biggus_Dickus said:

John_ said:

A._Badger said:

rtho782 said:

I'll leave the obvious points for others but if you can afford to buy, fuel, maintain, and repair that range rover sport, you can afford an EV, so the coming ban won't impact your ability to travel anyway.

Unless he's happy being limited to journeys of a couple of hundred miles and doesn't need air conditioning or a heater...

That’s one of the main issues which I have with my Tesla. If I cruise at a “normal” autoroute speed then 200 miles is about as much as you can plan for, which means that you either have to take a convoluted route or drive at what feels like an unnaturally low speed.
I think that the tipping point for me to try again will be when I can do the 300 miles to my parents, in winter, with the heating on, at about 80mph on a single charge. Comfortably.

...that’s quite a damning indictment of such an expensive and prestigious model. 

But a disarmingly honest one, unlike some of the stuff one hears from people trying to convince themselves that electric cars are ready to supplant the ICE alternative.

Car_54

seatbeltnoob said:

50Twuncle said:

If the government gets its way 
We will not  be able to afford a new electric car -  so no more private motoring for 50% of the UK population.....
It was fun whilst it lasted wasn't it? 

it will be a very long time until all petrol cars are off the road. Sale of brand new will end petrol and diesel will end. But it will take a lot more to take fuel cars off the road. You see all these bangers that get scrapped because they fail MOT? Well they will no longer be worthless and will be worth saving and their values will go up and people will keep them on the road.

But where will they get their fuel? Filling stations aren't going to keep stocking petrol and diesel to serve the occasional passing banger.

Biggus_Dickus

[Deleted User] said:

seatbeltnoob said:

50Twuncle said:

If the government gets its way 
We will not  be able to afford a new electric car -  so no more private motoring for 50% of the UK population.....
It was fun whilst it lasted wasn't it? 

it will be a very long time until all petrol cars are off the road. Sale of brand new will end petrol and diesel will end. But it will take a lot more to take fuel cars off the road. You see all these bangers that get scrapped because they fail MOT? Well they will no longer be worthless and will be worth saving and their values will go up and people will keep them on the road.

But where will they get their fuel? Filling stations aren't going to keep stocking petrol and diesel to serve the occasional passing banger.

Much like micro-breweries we’ll see micro-refinery’s and ‘craft fuel’ pumps appearing up and down the country to cater for the niche market that diesel/petrol consumers will inevitably become.

 

 

 

Ditzy_Mitzy

[Deleted User] said:

seatbeltnoob said:

50Twuncle said:

If the government gets its way 
We will not  be able to afford a new electric car -  so no more private motoring for 50% of the UK population.....
It was fun whilst it lasted wasn't it? 

it will be a very long time until all petrol cars are off the road. Sale of brand new will end petrol and diesel will end. But it will take a lot more to take fuel cars off the road. You see all these bangers that get scrapped because they fail MOT? Well they will no longer be worthless and will be worth saving and their values will go up and people will keep them on the road.

But where will they get their fuel? Filling stations aren't going to keep stocking petrol and diesel to serve the occasional passing banger.

The ban, as I understand it, only affects private cars.  Commercial vehicles are allowed to remain, as we're decades off practical electric lorries and buses; so are vans, pickup trucks and working vehicles.  Specialist vehicles such as fire engines, ambulances and military vehicles will, I suspect, be exempt.  God knows what the police and taxi drivers are supposed to do.  I suspect there might be special categories for them, perhaps a limited allowance of new petrol or hybrid cars for circumstances in which electric cars simply aren't practicable. 
Motorbikes and scooters aren't affected either.  This will leave a huge secondary market for petrol and diesel, which also includes things like power tools, generators, tractors, machinery and so on.  Plus there are presently 40 million cars on the road, of which over 39 million are oil powered.  Stocks won't be reduced to the 'occasional passing banger' for a good while yet.  

John_

Biggus_Dickus said:

John_ said:

A._Badger said:

rtho782 said:

I'll leave the obvious points for others but if you can afford to buy, fuel, maintain, and repair that range rover sport, you can afford an EV, so the coming ban won't impact your ability to travel anyway.

Unless he's happy being limited to journeys of a couple of hundred miles and doesn't need air conditioning or a heater...

That’s one of the main issues which I have with my Tesla. If I cruise at a “normal” autoroute speed then 200 miles is about as much as you can plan for, which means that you either have to take a convoluted route or drive at what feels like an unnaturally low speed.
I think that the tipping point for me to try again will be when I can do the 300 miles to my parents, in winter, with the heating on, at about 80mph on a single charge. Comfortably.

...that’s quite a damning indictment of such an expensive and prestigious model. 

I agree, and it’s been plagued by major problems since day-1, too.
It’s far too big to be a nice town car, and has far too little range to make it good for crossing continents, so doesn’t do what I need a car to do.
I do few enough miles per year that a second-hand Range Rover doesn’t cost much to run, but is still capable of moving the family and all of our things large distances in comfort.