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  • x2y2
    x2y2 Posts: 22 Forumite
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    Had requested an redacted copy of Land Owner Agreement, which PP refused to provide (expected). PP Ltd are now passing my case to their solicitors, so case of wait and see. No response from landowner to my letter. Should I make a SAR ?
  • beamerguy
    beamerguy Posts: 17,587 Forumite
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    edited 15 June 2020 at 11:29AM
    x2y2 said:
    Had requested an redacted copy of Land Owner Agreement, which PP refused to provide (expected). PP Ltd are now passing my case to their solicitors, so case of wait and see. No response from landowner to my letter. Should I make a SAR ?
    They will have to produce it to the court anyway.   The parking companies are desperate for cash right now, as are the dodgy legals.  The daft legal will immediately taint their claim by adding £60 which is unlawful and abuse of process.  They have run out of their feeble excuses for the add-on so now they pretend the Code of Practice gives them the authority.  DREAMERS
    SAR whoever you wish, you need as much information as you can get

    GET READY FOR ABUSE OF PROCESS FROM A DODGY LEGAL
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6014081/abuse-of-process-district-judge-tells-bwlegal/p1?new=1
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    SAR now makes sense. Means you have everything in place BEFORE a court claim pops up. 
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,392 Forumite
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    Just to help manage expectations, a SAR will not produce the landowner agreement. Only your personal data that's held and for that of your vehicle. A landowner agreement won't be produced unless/until it gets to court, and then its likely to be heavily redacted and provided only at the last minute. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,591 Forumite
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    Is it acceptable to a supply a heavily redacted copy of a contract to a court?    How does D know that it does not conceal material facts?.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,392 Forumite
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    D_P_Dance said:
    Is it acceptable to a supply a heavily redacted copy of a contract to a court?
    Probably not, but it's the way it is in many parking cases. From court reports, Judges appear not to be too exercised.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    You need ot go through and highlight any redacted areas that could be hiding something key - such as landowner cancelaliton clauses, scope of their contra,t and so on. 
  • x2y2
    x2y2 Posts: 22 Forumite
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    You need ot go through and highlight any redacted areas that could be hiding something key - such as landowner cancelaliton clauses, scope of their contra,t and so on. 
    Thank you all for your posts. As a complete novice in terms of contract law, I do understand  D_P_Dance's comment above, i.e. how can one highlight areas , if the landowner contract is not seen.
  • Fruitcake
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    As long as you aver that the scammers have no standing to issue charges, you will get to see the alleged contract at the exhibits stage of a court case.
    Quite often these contracts are with an agent, not the landowner, so you need to determine who actually owns the land. Have you been able to determine that yet.


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  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    x2y2 said:
    You need ot go through and highlight any redacted areas that could be hiding something key - such as landowner cancelaliton clauses, scope of their contra,t and so on. 
    Thank you all for your posts. As a complete novice in terms of contract law, I do understand  D_P_Dance's comment above, i.e. how can one highlight areas , if the landowner contract is not seen.
    Youve been told when you will get to see a likely-redacted copy. You do the above careful examination once you have the contract in your possession....
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