Shih Tzu puppy now walking fine

renegadefm

Aylesbury_Duck said:

renegadefm said:

suki1964 said:

You really don't have a clue do you?

Do you realise how much health care would cost YOU, if we didn't have the NHS? £800 a C -Section sounds about right for a vet you do know you pay for every stitch, every swab used?

No one should be breeding for sale unless they are registered. As you have just found out, its not an easy route to a pot of gold, you now have a b1tch who's probably going to struggle to whelp naturally if she ever gets caught again, and you have a sickly pup who's worthless and is going to cost you an arm and a leg, because believe me, the owner of the "stud" is not going to want to take it, which means they will charge you for servicing and you are the one with the vet bills

So the Stud was neither health checked nor proven? Just some random strangers dog

Oh, I spent over £1k in 2019 on vet bills for my rescue cat who developed herpes, I think the final bill was £1200, and guess what? We paid another £300 this year having blood tests done and having to have him put to sleep

You do not have animals if you can't afford them or the insurance policy needed. You have posted on these forums many times how you are struggling to meet your bills and keep food on the table. Deciding to allow your b!tch you have pups was not only stupid but in my mind near on criminal

I already explained why we did it, so that daughter could have a puppy rather than buy one. It wasent a money making venture. 

Ok, so what would you have done when your daughter's puppy required medical intervention that you couldn't afford, or resented paying for?

The point being that most pets, and possibly particularly dogs, are expensive.  You should not get one unless you are willing and able to afford vet bills, which can easily be three or four figures.  For the anticipated lifetime of the animal. It seems you can't so you daughter should go without until you can. 

Well it didnt turn out that way because we are now forced to sell the one which was going to be our daughters. So its no point starting insurance for a dog that soon won't be ours. If it remained our daughters we would have taken out insurance for that puppy. Why am I made to feel a criminal here? 

Aylesbury_Duck

I answered that in my last post. You're not a criminal, but the criticism you've received is completely justified.  That you can't see that is just as worrying. If you're making decisions on vet care based on what you can and can't afford, it's quite straightforward: you can't afford a dog.

Don't make a bad situation worse by selling the puppy on Facebook or some equally daft way.  Facebook is how you got into this mess. Please speak to a local dog charity for advice.  Selling a puppy to cover expenses you can't afford risks compounding bad decisions with another. 

renegadefm

Aylesbury_Duck said:

I answered that in my last post. You're not a criminal, but the criticism you've received is completely justified.  That you can't see that is just as worrying. If you're making decisions on vet care based on what you can and can't afford, it's quite straightforward: you can't afford a dog.

Don't make a bad situation worse by selling the puppy on Facebook or some equally daft way.  Facebook is how you got into this mess. Please speak to a local dog charity for advice.  Selling a puppy to cover expenses you can't afford risks compounding bad decisions with another. 

Where I tripped up was I or rather we didnt realise pet insurance doesnt cover birth problems. 
So we learned a big lesson there. 
And I didnt see what was wrong about producing a puppy from the dog we already own for our daughter, if someone was willing to lend us the stud dog. But I wouldnt do it again. Its been and is a bit of a nightmare. 

thorsoak

Sadly, renegadefm  whether you like it or not, you have become a breeder - and a breeder of a pair of badly-bred puppies, one of which is going to cost you a packet :-(   You entered into something without researching what you were doing - it will soon be illegal for anyone to breed and sell puppies without firstly having the puppies microchipped and registered to the person who bred them - aka the breeder.    You- and the owner of the stud dog didn't check on what health checks are needed before breeding, you don't appear to have had any knowledge of what is necessary for a whelping, and now you have a problem.    There could be many reasons why the puppy is not walking yet - it could be that it has not received sufficient nutrition in the womb and has therefore not developed properly - it could be what is known as a "swimmer", it could have displaced hips - and all these things need to be investigated by a vet.   You have to discuss the situation with the owner of the stud dog - after all, you are equally responsible for these puppies for as long as they live.   Correction - a reputable breeder will accept responsibility for any puppy bred by them for the whole length of their lives.    Poor, poor puppies - bred to please a little girl, who is going to be disappointed.  If you ever  think of doing this again, please research first - and buy a puppy from a reputable breeder who will guide you through all the pratfalls and pitfalls of breeding puppies - and make sure that you have a genuine reason for breeding in the first place.

renegadefm

thorsoak said:

Sadly, renegadefm  whether you like it or not, you have become a breeder - and a breeder of a pair of badly-bred puppies, one of which is going to cost you a packet :-(   You entered into something without researching what you were doing - it will soon be illegal for anyone to breed and sell puppies without firstly having the puppies microchipped and registered to the person who bred them - aka the breeder.    You- and the owner of the stud dog didn't check on what health checks are needed before breeding, you don't appear to have had any knowledge of what is necessary for a whelping, and now you have a problem.    There could be many reasons why the puppy is not walking yet - it could be that it has not received sufficient nutrition in the womb and has therefore not developed properly - it could be what is known as a "swimmer", it could have displaced hips - and all these things need to be investigated by a vet.   You have to discuss the situation with the owner of the stud dog - after all, you are equally responsible for these puppies for as long as they live.   Correction - a reputable breeder will accept responsibility for any puppy bred by them for the whole length of their lives.    Poor, poor puppies - bred to please a little girl, who is going to be disappointed.  If you ever  think of doing this again, please research first - and buy a puppy from a reputable breeder who will guide you through all the pratfalls and pitfalls of breeding puppies - and make sure that you have a genuine reason for breeding in the first place.

Well I know that now. Thankfully the owner of the stud dog has shared any expence so far. But whether that would extend into anything major I don't know yet lets see what the xray shows on Thursday 

renegadefm

Worse case sinario if neither us or the stud dog owner can afford big bills to make her better or whatever she will be put to sleep. Because her quality of life will be seriously affected if she cant walk properly.  We certainly dont own a money tree, but they might I dont know.  It wasent really my venture, it was my partners so I dont want to be made the guilty party here. She makes her own decisions. I just abide by them within reason. 

warby68

Just for curiosity if your daughter was the main reason for breeding why were you 'forced' to sell the other pup?
Why are you letting your daughter down rather than a prospective buyer - it does seem to suggest its about money. I hope the new home has been checked even if nothing else was that should have been.
OP surely you must have known before you posted that your story and attitude would be contentious. 
I know you only wanted to know about possible reasons but sometimes its hard not to comment on a bad situation.

Aylesbury_Duck

renegadefm said:

Worse case sinario if neither us or the stud dog owner can afford big bills to make her better or whatever she will be put to sleep. Because her quality of life will be seriously affected if she cant walk properly.  We certainly dont own a money tree, but they might I dont know.  It wasent really my venture, it was my partners so I dont want to be made the guilty party here. She makes her own decisions. I just abide by them within reason. 

Well as I suggested previously, you should get your partner to read the thread. She's made bad decisions, needs to understand why they were bad decisions and needs to understand how not to compound them with more silliness.  As warby68 says, this seems to be all about money, which is entirely the wrong way to go about it. 

Either that, or take control of the situation yourself. Abiding within reason is one thing, but when you've been told several times it's wrong, it's time to stop abiding because there now is a reason for not doing so.

elsien

If I recall correctly your daughter is about 4? 
So your partner bred a dog without any health checks,  or any inkling of potential issues/costs (and is now considering having the poor puppy put to sleep ) on the whim if a pre-schooler? 

renegadefm

warby68 said:

Just for curiosity if your daughter was the main reason for breeding why were you 'forced' to sell the other pup?
Why are you letting your daughter down rather than a prospective buyer - it does seem to suggest its about money. I hope the new home has been checked even if nothing else was that should have been.
OP surely you must have known before you posted that your story and attitude would be contentious. 
I know you only wanted to know about possible reasons but sometimes its hard not to comment on a bad situation.

Because we were expecting at least 3 puppies. Let me try and explain, we entered into this idea originally so daughter could have a puppie from the mother we already had rather than buy one which is money we didn't have. So when we knew she was pregnant we had her scanned and it showed a, false scan which showed 3 puppies. So we already promised someone else in the family one of them. So we had to let daughter down in favour of this other family member. As we already explained to daughter she can have one if there is at least more than 2. So the other family member had it for half of what they normally sell for anyway. So making money from this was never the reason we did it. 
So when only 2 was born,  the other one was already sold. And the other one which appears sick is the stud dogs owners to be. 
Why all the doubt in me and explanations anyway? This solves nothing.