Will you comply?

greenbee

dolly84 said:

You would think we were in the midst of a zombie apocolypse.  What I find mad is all the people who say they would stay in still expect to flick a switch and have electric, to have gas, internet and water - doesn't anyone need to work to keep these things going.  Then afterwards those same people will expect to be able to go to the local bakers, takeaway or cafe only to find it has shut down.  The economic effect of this will be far reaching and devastating, all for what?  To preserve life at any costs?

Anyone who works in critical infrastructure will have been told what's happening by now. All these organisations have to have plans in place for all sorts of crises which include pandemics (I was involved in pandemic planning when I worked in the energy industry). But it's another reason for those who CAN work from home to stay home - it minimises the risk to those essential workers (critical infrastructure, supply chain - including shop staff, healthcare, cleaners etc) who often have to travel on public transport. Let's avoid putting them at anymore risk of germs than we have to. 

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There may be no choice BUT to stay home if we're told to and we'll have to accept the consequences of that if we decide to obey the decree.  We're shut in already being over 70 and both with underlying health issues and I can tell you from the heart that I want to live, I don't want to die from this and I'll do whatever it takes to keep HWK and myself alive and get us through to the end of the crisis. I think the Chinese grid stayed up, don't remember any notification that the electricity went off so hopefully our national grid will stay on and the water too.  I for certain won't expect life as normal if I'm lucky enough to see this out but I will be part of any rebuild that takes place and part of my community helping build it again in any and every capacity I'm able.

Blue_Doggy

After WWII until the late 1960s we used to have a Civil Defence organisation which would have been ideal to deal with this sort of situation. Does anyone else here still remember it? What a pity it was discontinued.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Defence_Corps 

Mummy2cheekymonkeys

My husband works for our county council. He has an hour commute on the train. He has a laptop that enables him to work from home and the council have recently started a trial of allowing them to work from home on alternate weeks. This whole pandemic is happening and yet this week is his week to go into the office. He is leaving in a minute. Its absolutely crazy that they haven't told them they can all work from home. Seems like they will only do it when the government tell them they can. 

hollydays

Pyxis said:

Onebrokelady said:

I'm just watching the BBC news channel ,and they are having a question session with a Dr
she has just categorically stated that if you are self isolating this means you should not go out for a walk, you can go out into your garden but only if it's big enough for you to stay two metres away from your neighbours and two metres from anyone else in the garden 🙀

hollydays said:

Onebrokelady said:

I'm just watching the BBC news channel ,and they are having a question session with a Dr
she has just categorically stated that if you are self isolating this means you should not go out for a walk, you can go out into your garden but only if it's big enough for you to stay two metres away from your neighbours and two metres from anyone else in the garden 🙀

But here it says "How to self-quarantine If you are well, but you have been in close contact with a case of coronavirus you will need to self-quarantine. You will also need to self-quarantine if you have returned from certain countries. This is to stop other people from getting coronavirus. Self-quarantine means avoiding contact with other people as much as possible by staying at home or in your hotel. You can still go outside for walks, runs or cycles on your own. But you should not spend time in close contact with other people. Other household members do not need to restrict their activities unless they are told to." https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/self-isolation-and-limited-social-interaction.html

This contradiction has been criticised.

The instruction not to go out for walks definitely applies if you are experiencing symptoms, however mild. Self-isolation.

The contradiction arises with the term quarantine, which apparently applies to people living with a self-isolating person or if you aren’t displaying symptoms, eg in the case of having had contact with someone.
 This contradiction has been heavily criticised, because if you are possibly incubating the virus, it makes no sense to risk passing it on by going out, That’s what quarantine is, after all.
Allowing family members to go out has also been heavily criticised, for the same reason.

My feeling is that if there is any chance that someone might have the virus, even if the symptoms haven’t started, they should self-isolate and follow those rules.

There’s a videoclip from Dr. Thingy that was somewhere on the forum yesterday which explains this. I’ll see if I can find it.



Edit....it took a while, but I found it......it’s long, half an hour, but for the quarantine stuff you could scroll to about 10.30 and start there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlyvt9n_QE

I now understand better some of the contradictions thanks to Dr. John Campbell..

Siebrie

I am complying to a certain extent:

- daughters are home from school

- shopping was done 2 weeks ago to avoid panic buying (although husband was gripped by the panic buying and decided to go into the supermarket to buy ... well.... tins of sausages we no longer eat, tins of sardines, and a cake.... Our local Aldi was closed at noon due to being empty!)

- husband has been ordered to work from home (IT for a bank)

- I can work from home but there are only 2 people in our office at the mo as all colleagues work from home, so I will come in, by electric bicycle. I work a lot with excel and a crm system, so it's sooo much easier to work with 2 large screens rather than 1 laptop screen.

- I wash laundry as hot as possible, try to keep the house as clean as possible. (Both to prevent sickness and to have some leeway if we do fall sick)

- not socialising inside any building, although we do chat over our drive. Daughters have been playing with friends on the local playground, outside all the time, washing hands as soon as we came in.

- walks and bike rides around the village and adjoining tiny bit of forest.

What annoys me: dd1 wanted to sleep at a friend's place, whose father had just spent 10 days on Batibouw, a building/renovation fair, talking to hundreds of people. He didn't yet have any symptoms, but claimed he wouldn't have any! How does he know? And why join my dd in trying to persuade me to let her stay at his place? Isn't that MY decision to make?

One colleague has just spent 3 days skiing in France, has a sniffle, and decided to come in to work!!! The idiot! He was sent home immediately by my boss, and we soaped the doors and his chair after he had left.

I'm mentally prepping myself for homeschooling dds. The teachers will send tasks by email this afternoon; dds will have to start and see how far they get, and I will check as soon as I get home from work.

pineapple

Today I had a chat with a friend in the village - she was safely on one side of the river and I was on the other! We count ourselves fortunate to live in a fairly empty rural area where there are more sheep than people.

Pyxis

pineapple said:

Today I had a chat with a friend in the village - she was safely on one side of the river and I was on the other! We count ourselves fortunate to live in a fairly empty rural area where there are more sheep than people.

Ah, but did you measure it?
If it was 1m 99cms you are in trouble! 😁😉

Pollycat

Was chatting to some friends yesterday, they all said their parents - all above 80 and some with health issues - do not realise the severity of the situation and don't see why they shouldn't go about their business as usual.

Was speaking to a relative this morning - nearer 90 than 80 and with 2 serious health issues - and they say they are not under any circumstances going to stay in.

How do you deal with people like this?

How are they going to be persuaded to comply with this:?

Every Briton over the age of 70 will be told "within the coming weeks" to stay at home for an extended period to protect themselves from coronavirus.

When it happens, they will be asked to stay home for "a very long time", Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.

The government is to release social distancing advice for elderly people on Monday - but they will not yet be asked to self-isolate for long periods.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873

Pyxis

Pollycat said:

Was chatting to some friends yesterday, they all said their parents - all above 80 and some with health issues - do not realise the severity of the situation and don't see why they shouldn't go about their business as usual.

Was speaking to a relative this morning - nearer 90 than 80 and with 2 serious health issues - and they say they are not under any circumstances going to stay in.

How do you deal with people like this?

How are they going to be persuaded to comply with this:?

Every Briton over the age of 70 will be told "within the coming weeks" to stay at home for an extended period to protect themselves from coronavirus.

When it happens, they will be asked to stay home for "a very long time", Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.

The government is to release social distancing advice for elderly people on Monday - but they will not yet be asked to self-isolate for long periods.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873

They might respond to the ‘protecting the NHS point’ more than to the protecting themselves point.