Will you comply?

Pyxis

I’ve been thinking....yes, I know, painful! 😁

I was having a whinge to myself about how, after months and months of inactivity due to various illnesses and things, I was right on the point of returning to some of the activities I’d had to give up temporarily....singing, language classes and (gentle) zumba...... and then this went and happened. ☹️☹️

Then I thought that one advantage of social isolation is that I can scratch my face as often as I like! 😄

KxMx

I very much hope people who are self isolating due to having symptoms do not leave home!! It's called isolation for a reason and the only way to protect others, is stay isolated in a situation where you can guarantee you will not come into to contact with anyone else. Walking down a rural lane doesn't count as self isolation, whereas using a private garden does.

Pyxis

KxMx said:

I very much hope people who are self isolating due to having symptoms do not leave home!! It's called isolation for a reason and the only way to protect others, is stay isolated in a situation where you can guarantee you will not come into to contact with anyone else. Walking down a rural lane doesn't count as self isolation, whereas using a private garden does.

Yes.
The government guidelines are clear about that, although it is quite near the end of the list of dos and don’ts.
Sometimes the terminology people use gets mixed up though.

Onebrokelady

I'm just watching the BBC news channel ,and they are having a question session with a Dr
she has just categorically stated that if you are self isolating this means you should not go out for a walk, you can go out into your garden but only if it's big enough for you to stay two metres away from your neighbours and two metres from anyone else in the garden 🙀

hollydays

Onebrokelady said:

I'm just watching the BBC news channel ,and they are having a question session with a Dr
she has just categorically stated that if you are self isolating this means you should not go out for a walk, you can go out into your garden but only if it's big enough for you to stay two metres away from your neighbours and two metres from anyone else in the garden 🙀

But here it says the opposite "How to self-quarantine If you are well, but you have been in close contact with a case of coronavirus you will need to self-quarantine. You will also need to self-quarantine if you have returned from certain countries. This is to stop other people from getting coronavirus. Self-quarantine means avoiding contact with other people as much as possible by staying at home or in your hotel. You can still go outside for walks, runs or cycles on your own. But you should not spend time in close contact with other people. Other household members do not need to restrict their activities unless they are told to."

hollydays

Onebrokelady said:

I'm just watching the BBC news channel ,and they are having a question session with a Dr
she has just categorically stated that if you are self isolating this means you should not go out for a walk, you can go out into your garden but only if it's big enough for you to stay two metres away from your neighbours and two metres from anyone else in the garden 🙀

But here it says "How to self-quarantine If you are well, but you have been in close contact with a case of coronavirus you will need to self-quarantine. You will also need to self-quarantine if you have returned from certain countries. This is to stop other people from getting coronavirus. Self-quarantine means avoiding contact with other people as much as possible by staying at home or in your hotel. You can still go outside for walks, runs or cycles on your own. But you should not spend time in close contact with other people. Other household members do not need to restrict their activities unless they are told to." https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/self-isolation-and-limited-social-interaction.html

Pyxis

Onebrokelady said:

I'm just watching the BBC news channel ,and they are having a question session with a Dr
she has just categorically stated that if you are self isolating this means you should not go out for a walk, you can go out into your garden but only if it's big enough for you to stay two metres away from your neighbours and two metres from anyone else in the garden 🙀

hollydays said:

Onebrokelady said:

I'm just watching the BBC news channel ,and they are having a question session with a Dr
she has just categorically stated that if you are self isolating this means you should not go out for a walk, you can go out into your garden but only if it's big enough for you to stay two metres away from your neighbours and two metres from anyone else in the garden 🙀

But here it says "How to self-quarantine If you are well, but you have been in close contact with a case of coronavirus you will need to self-quarantine. You will also need to self-quarantine if you have returned from certain countries. This is to stop other people from getting coronavirus. Self-quarantine means avoiding contact with other people as much as possible by staying at home or in your hotel. You can still go outside for walks, runs or cycles on your own. But you should not spend time in close contact with other people. Other household members do not need to restrict their activities unless they are told to." https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/self-isolation-and-limited-social-interaction.html

This contradiction has been criticised.

The instruction not to go out for walks definitely applies if you are experiencing symptoms, however mild. Self-isolation.

The contradiction arises with the term quarantine, which apparently applies to people living with a self-isolating person or if you aren’t displaying symptoms, eg in the case of having had contact with someone.
 This contradiction has been heavily criticised, because if you are possibly incubating the virus, it makes no sense to risk passing it on by going out, That’s what quarantine is, after all.
Allowing family members to go out has also been heavily criticised, for the same reason.

My feeling is that if there is any chance that someone might have the virus, even if the symptoms haven’t started, they should self-isolate and follow those rules.

There’s a videoclip from Dr. Thingy that was somewhere on the forum yesterday which explains this. I’ll see if I can find it.



Edit....it took a while, but I found it......it’s long, half an hour, but for the quarantine stuff you could scroll to about 10.30 and start there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etlyvt9n_QE

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I guess we're all not sleeping?  DD2  the GP says that while we are socially distancing and have no symptoms that going for a walk is going to stop us from going absolutely stir crazy BUT that we must be very careful not to get closer than recommended to any other people we pass while we're out.  We're lucky in that across the road from the back garden is a wooded footpath that leads to the arboretum and we've walked that twice now without meeting anyone.  The arboretum is slightly trickier because it's the dog walking hot spot for the village but is big enough and has many  different pathways in it that if you're vigilant and keep an eye out for dog walkers you can achieve the distance easily.  The news is saying that this week will see over 70s advised to socially distance themselves for however long it takes to  peak this virus which I think is overdue advice but I think many of the older folk I know will probably not take it which is a great sadness.  We are already socially distancing and that's scary enough without having to be worried for everyone else.

Prinzessilein

I live in a retirement flat. There are about 30 flats in this building. I am in my late 50s and live here due to disabilities.

The news today suggests that the elderly and those with underlying health conditions should ALL self-isolate, irrespective of whether they have any symptoms ..the period seems to vary from 1 week to 4 MONTHS!!!!

Has anyone considered just HOW we are to do this? Most folks in these flats don't have online access - and many do not have friends/family to do shopping for them....some don't have a telephone...  When I moved in here, we had a warden on-site from 9 to 5 Monday - Friday...and on-call via  alarm at the weekends...in recent years that has been reduced. The warden now has to cover multiple buildings  and may only be here for  an hour some days - and in that hour needs to visit some residents and do her paperwork. So no use asking her to help 30+ people who are self-isolating.

We have communal areas here - for example the laundry...how do we stay 2 feet away from others? Maybe a rota could be set up...but I wouldn't trust everyone to stick to their slots. Delivery people have to actually enter the main building to get to the front door of each flat...you can't leave the orders outside the main entrance!

If you live in a house, with a garden for fresh air...with internet access for shopping...with your own laundry facilities et.c ..then self-isolating is feasible...but more thought and guidance needs to be given to the practicalities for the  elderly and vulnerable.

poppy811

I have enough to contend with as I am over 70, have inoperable cancer that has spread to my lungs and multiple pulmonary embolisms.  I have cancelled a couple of lunch dates and will not be attending our village coffee mornings.  I hate being isolated but am lucky I live in a supportive village.