Euro Parking Services and IAS?

KeithP

I am unsure whether it is Tescos or Greggs.

Why not try both?

SuperGirl09

Coupon-mad said:

We don't recommend any parking appeals service and I already told you there is no appeal. 
Did you read my advice?

Yes, I did - thank you, I know you did. I just found it interesting that there are these out there who are trying to make a buck from people like me who find it hard to get their head around stuff like this.

BrownTrout

Yes the appeals companies charge a fee (theres about 6 or 7 all offering slightly different services)
Its horses for courses, as with anything in life you either do it yourself or you pay someone else to do it for you.  A lot of people would hate spending hours trawling forums and for them those companies are worth.  Others would loath to pay for an unjust ticket to be dealt with. 
You cant on here say they are a waste of money because some peoples time is worth a lot more then what ever they charge, but then equally if people are not bothered then that is the other side of the argument.

BrownTrout

SuperGirl09 said:

Coupon-mad said:

We don't recommend any parking appeals service and I already told you there is no appeal. 
Did you read my advice?

Yes, I did - thank you, I know you did. I just found it interesting that there are these out there who are trying to make a buck from people like me who find it hard to get their head around stuff like this.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong in companies doing that.  Theres a market in everything.  Given the number of parking tickets being issued its a very obvious business model to operate and potentially be successful in.  For any problem in life there is a solution and a market to be filled.  That is capitalism

SuperGirl09

BrownTrout said:

Yes the appeals companies charge a fee (theres about 6 or 7 all offering slightly different services)
Its horses for courses, as with anything in life you either do it yourself or you pay someone else to do it for you.  A lot of people would hate spending hours trawling forums and for them those companies are worth.  Others would loath to pay for an unjust ticket to be dealt with. 
You cant on here say they are a waste of money because some peoples time is worth a lot more then what ever they charge, but then equally if people are not bothered then that is the other side of the argument.

BrownTrout said:

SuperGirl09 said:

Coupon-mad said:

We don't recommend any parking appeals service and I already told you there is no appeal. 
Did you read my advice?

Yes, I did - thank you, I know you did. I just found it interesting that there are these out there who are trying to make a buck from people like me who find it hard to get their head around stuff like this.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong in companies doing that.  Theres a market in everything.  Given the number of parking tickets being issued its a very obvious business model to operate and potentially be successful in.  For any problem in life there is a solution and a market to be filled.  That is capitalism

Truth, I guess.

SuperGirl09

Thanks again.

Coupon-mad

SuperGirl09 said:

Coupon-mad said:

We don't recommend any parking appeals service and I already told you there is no appeal. 
Did you read my advice?

Yes, I did - thank you, I know you did. I just found it interesting that there are these out there who are trying to make a buck from people like me who find it hard to get their head around stuff like this.

I think it's OK as long as the company is run by honest people who do a good job for little money and the person checks them out on review sites before handing over your data and money.   I've never actually discounted running a company again myself one day (I did before) but we still wouldn't recommend one here, because it can be done for free.  I have no current connection to any such company, BTW.

Trustpilot tells a story about more than one of them and even has a banner warning about one. 
Buyer beware.

Why not do it free, with our help?  People learn loads and it really empowers them when they win.

SuperGirl09

Update:

I now have the 'fake' letter before court threat to pay £160 within 14 days. I only received this letter on the weekend and it is dated 20th May.

Is this the point I send the SAR using the LegalBeagles template or this one I have found trawling the forums:

Dear Euro Parking Services,

I am in receipt of your Letter Before Court Action of 20th May 2020.
Your letter contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your case places reliance upon.

You must know that on 01 October 2017 a new protocol is applicable to debt claims. Since proceedings have not yet been issued, the new protocol clearly applies and must be complied with.

Your letter lacks specificity and breaches both the requirements of the previously applicable Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)) and the new Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2. Please treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents / information that the protocol now requires you to provide. You must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol. I reserve the right to draw any failure of the Claimant to comply with the protocol to the attention of the court and to ask the court to stay the claim and order you to comply with its pre-action obligations, and when costs come to be considered.

You must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction applicable pre-1 October and the Protocol which applies thereafter, as a serial litigator of small claims, should be aware of them. As you must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is astounding that a firm such as yourselves are sending a consumer a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter before Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the new Protocol.

Nobody, including yourself, is immune from the requirements and obligations of the Practice Direction and now the Protocol.

I require you to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. an explanation of the cause of action
2. If you are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. If you are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. What the details of the claim are; where it is claimed the vehicle was parked, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
7. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the IPC code of practice section B, clause 1.1 “establishing yourself as the creditor”
8. A plan showing where any signs were displayed
9. Details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)
10. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
11. Provide a copy of the Information Sheet and the Reply Form

If you do not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) – Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13 ,15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until you at Euro Parking Services have complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for you to issue proceedings. Should you do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.


I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours faithfully

Coupon-mad

Is this the point I send the SAR using the LegalBeagles template

Yes, as the NEWBIES thread tells you.

or this one I have found trawling the forums:

Nope, that is ANCIENT!  Bin it.

SuperGirl09

Coupon-mad said:

Is this the point I send the SAR using the LegalBeagles template

Yes, as the NEWBIES thread tells you.

or this one I have found trawling the forums:

Nope, that is ANCIENT!  Bin it.

Thank you!