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GaleSF63

"middle age,  I.E. 50 plus" 
 "I'm 45 and consider myself middle aged" 
 "I am 73 & still don't consider myself middle aged."

I am reminded of Chambers Dictionary's definition of  middle age which is "between youth and old age, variously reckoned to suit the reckoner."

swingaloo

Gavin83 said:

swingaloo said:

 That's a complete misconception. The crime figures may be down but crime is certainly not. 

What evidence have you got for this?

As the Office For National Statistics which publish the crime figures work off Police recorded figures and don't take into consideration crime which is not reported it is obviously not a true reflection of what is happening. Or do you have evidence to support the figures and believe that there are no crimes other than those reported to the police?
At one time it was unusual to know anyone that had been affected by a crime, now its unusual to know someone that hasn't.

thorsoak

I am 76, and will be 77 in June.   I am, I believe, more content now than I have been at any other period in my life.   I say content, rather than happy - to be happy all the time is rather like wanting to be partying all the time!   I have known happiness, sadness, heartbreak and heart ache, I have always had the feeling that sooner or later, I will be found out as a fraud - but now, I realise that everybody feels this way - and now - I am content to accept myself as me, as I am - even though I'm no longer able to dance like mad, that I have aches and stiffness that I didn't have when I was 20 and was able to run around after my children.  Now, I can only pick up one grandchild at a time, but life is still good - I don't have much money, but I have enough to live fairly frugally and I enjoy the company of friends and family.   I go out of my way to talk to people, to make friends, to read, to keep up with current affairs - and hope that life will continue in this way for as long as possible - and that when the end comes, it comes quickly.   Live in the present, remember the past and forgive yourself - and let the future take care of itself.  xx

Gavin83

swingaloo said:

Gavin83 said:

swingaloo said:

 That's a complete misconception. The crime figures may be down but crime is certainly not. 

What evidence have you got for this?

As the Office For National Statistics which publish the crime figures work off Police recorded figures and don't take into consideration crime which is not reported it is obviously not a true reflection of what is happening. Or do you have evidence to support the figures and believe that there are no crimes other than those reported to the police?
At one time it was unusual to know anyone that had been affected by a crime, now its unusual to know someone that hasn't.

So no evidence at all then. That’s fine, just wanted to check.

And I’m curious to know what I’m meant to be providing evidence for, I haven’t made any claims.

[Deleted User]

I don't look back with rose tinted glasses.  I know I was abused as a kid and no one did anything, no protection then.  I left home at 16 (was working) and had real problems managing on my low wage that I wouldn't have now as there are more cheap food supermarkets open that just didn't exist then. Bullying in schools was widespread but now there is bullying online as well so you don't get a break from it like you used to once you were home.  There didn't seem to be the violence and bad behaviour that you see now. 

BUT one big change I don't do very well with is these blasted smart TV's.  I can't use them at all and long for our simple TV's.  You lose the remote, you can't use them.  Even with the remote I can't find out where the programmes are (netflix user). Its humiliating having to get my kids to put the TV on.  Mind you, there is iplayer etc which I use most of the time to watch stuff on my pc because its that or drag the kids downstairs bracing myself for more delightedly sarcastic "oh mother!" comments lol because they are so delighted to see their normally capable mother not being so capable lol.

swingaloo

Gavin83 said:

swingaloo said:

Gavin83 said:

swingaloo said:

 That's a complete misconception. The crime figures may be down but crime is certainly not. 

What evidence have you got for this?

As the Office For National Statistics which publish the crime figures work off Police recorded figures and don't take into consideration crime which is not reported it is obviously not a true reflection of what is happening. Or do you have evidence to support the figures and believe that there are no crimes other than those reported to the police?
At one time it was unusual to know anyone that had been affected by a crime, now its unusual to know someone that hasn't.

So no evidence at all then. That’s fine, just wanted to check.

And I’m curious to know what I’m meant to be providing evidence for, I haven’t made any claims.

And I'm curious to know why you seem to have such a confrontational attitude. 

I wasn't aware that 'Having evidence' was necessary in order to have an opinion.  

renegadefm

The thing is if smacking a child was so wrong, why am I not bitter. In hindsight its what I needed to wake me up and learn how to respect my elders. 
My gran actually told me one day I was lucky on one occasion that father only smacked me, if it was his father, in other words another generation older his belt would have come off and he'd have suffered lashing and welts on his !!!!!!. But he didnt miss behave again.
We seem to have got weaker and weaker with each generation,  but look what its done. I was watching something on the TV the other day and the child a young boy of about 6 was hitting his mother and making her cry, I'm thinking oh my God if that was me when my father got home there would have been big trouble, just thinking about the sinario makes me have sweats. But more than anything it was a deterant,  so I wouldn't have done that to my mum in the first place.
The very fact we cant use these old fashioned values at all means there is no deterant. Hence the world is upside down now. 

[Deleted User]

I guess in the same context we were lucky we just got beaten up once a week with kicks and smacks (curled up on the floor stuff) rather than beaten with a rope like my stepfather did.  Silly me, as an eleven year old, I actually told myself as each session started that I mustn't say a word and make him lose control completely because he might kill me.  I should have said 'this is good for me, teaches me respect',  instead.  Amazingly, the fact that I was lucky it wasn't a rope didn't occur to me once, I was too scared.

thorsoak

renegadefm said:

The thing is if smacking a child was so wrong, why am I not bitter. In hindsight its what I needed to wake me up and learn how to respect my elders. 
My gran actually told me one day I was lucky on one occasion that father only smacked me, if it was his father, in other words another generation older his belt would have come off and he'd have suffered lashing and welts on his !!!!!!. But he didnt miss behave again.
We seem to have got weaker and weaker with each generation,  but look what its done. I was watching something on the TV the other day and the child a young boy of about 6 was hitting his mother and making her cry, I'm thinking oh my God if that was me when my father got home there would have been big trouble, just thinking about the sinario makes me have sweats. But more than anything it was a deterant,  so I wouldn't have done that to my mum in the first place.
The very fact we cant use these old fashioned values at all means there is no deterant. Hence the world is upside down now. 

Just because my father - whom I always loved - used the belt on my hand did not make me a better child, it taught me to be sure that I didn't get caught doing anything to upset him!  It made me sure that I would never use a belt on my children - very occasionally they were smacked - which made me feel worse than whatever they had done to incur a smacked leg.   It didn't turn them into delinquents,they have all grown up into responsible, loving adults with careers, children who are doing well - and who have never had a hand raised against them.    It isn't physical assaults that stop children from beating up old ladies and their parents- it is taking time to talk to them, to be interested and involved in their interests, to set the examples of how to behave towards other people.  It is letting them know that they are loved, that they are valued, and that everyone has to work hard to achieve these goals.

Gavin83

swingaloo said:

Gavin83 said:

swingaloo said:

Gavin83 said:

swingaloo said:

 That's a complete misconception. The crime figures may be down but crime is certainly not. 

What evidence have you got for this?

As the Office For National Statistics which publish the crime figures work off Police recorded figures and don't take into consideration crime which is not reported it is obviously not a true reflection of what is happening. Or do you have evidence to support the figures and believe that there are no crimes other than those reported to the police?
At one time it was unusual to know anyone that had been affected by a crime, now its unusual to know someone that hasn't.

So no evidence at all then. That’s fine, just wanted to check.

And I’m curious to know what I’m meant to be providing evidence for, I haven’t made any claims.

And I'm curious to know why you seem to have such a confrontational attitude. 

I wasn't aware that 'Having evidence' was necessary in order to have an opinion.  

I’m not being confrontational at all. You made a claim, I asked you to back it up. You wrote it like it was fact but if it’s nothing more than your opinion then clearly no evidence is required and I won’t disagree with you. I find it a shame that you feel the country is getting more dangerous but I doubt you’re alone in these views.