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I hope you aren’t planning to hit your child. 

renegadefm

onwards&upwards said:

I hope you aren’t planning to hit your child. 

Never had to. And its not something you plan is it?
All I am saying parents today are not allowed to deal with their children in the way they see fit,  we are governed now by the politically correct brigade. 
My father smacked my !!!!!! but it didnt do me harm,  I quickly learned right from wrong. 
Now its the other way around, the kids are hitting their mothers,  please tell me this isnt right. 

onwards&upwards

I’m not wasting any more of my time responding to a walking Daily Mail editorial, thanks.

Mojisola

renegadefm said:

onwards&upwards said:

I hope you aren’t planning to hit your child. 

Never had to. And its not something you plan is it?
All I am saying parents today are not allowed to deal with their children in the way they see fit,  we are governed now by the politically correct brigade. 
My father smacked my !!!!!! but it didnt do me harm,  I quickly learned right from wrong. 
Now its the other way around, the kids are hitting their mothers,  please tell me this isnt right. 

So how are you teaching your child to learn right from wrong without using corporal punishment?

Couldn't your parents have used the same methods?

swingaloo

onwards&upwards said:

renegadefm said:

onwards&upwards said:

renegadefm said:

onomatopoeia99 said:

Things weren't better when I was a teenager in the 1980s.  Mental health wasn't talked about, teachers were still permitted to use violence against children, there was no equal marriage, LBG people were far more marginalized than they are today (e.g. section 28), there were no rights for trans people and so on.  Go back further to the 1970s, before PACE, and we have abuses by the police like the Birmingham six and Guildford four. 

Things are far from perfect now, but they are better than when I was younger.

Yeah but you say about teachers using violence, we didnt see it that way then did we? What I mean is if I did something wrong I probably deserved it, my father wouldn't hesitate to smack my !!!!!!, but it did me good, I knew right from wrong. Compared to an out of control generation we have now. Sorry but that's how I see it.
Everything seemed more orderly when I was younger. 

How old are you?  You are young enough to have a 4 year old child but you sound like Piers Morgan!

i don’t think any generation has ever been ‘out of control’. 

I'm 50.  When I was at school the cane was still in use. It was phased out just after I left in 1985.
But there is a lot more antisocial behaviour going on now than there ever was. 
There was a lot more respect for our elders when we were kids. 
I was watching something on the tv a few nights ago and they said crime from women has doubled in the past 10 years. 

No there isn’t, crime is down, we’ve never been safer.  

That's a complete misconception. The crime figures may be down but crime is certainly not. Its just that things don't get reported these days due to the lack of police intervention if you do report. Less thieves, thugs, burglars, muggers, shoplifters reported means less of them caught and less taken to court. Therefore its a free for all now where crime is concerned. 

I had my purse snatched out of my hand last year,  it had £300+ in it, Within 30 mins I had reported it to the police, cancelled my cards, found out where one of my contactless cards had been used, gone to the location, confirmed there was cctv footage from the owner of the shop,  found out that they had booked a taxi, phoned the taxi firm and got their home address from the driver all of which I reported back to the police. The result was that the police never attended and said they could not prioritise my case as I had not been hurt. 


My neighbours have CCTV  and on  2 separate occasions in the last 2 weeks it has shown 2 young lads trying car doors down the close around 3am - 4am in the morning. (They look about 12 so what the hell are they doing out at that time).   7 houses in the close have had things taken from either the garden or garage since Xmas.

Again just since Xmas-
One of my friends had his car stolen and it was found in a nearby town burnt out.  Another friend has given up her evening job as she finishes at 10.30 pm and often gets abuse and followed on her way home. (Again because she will not serve alcohol/cigarettes to the youths). The local newsagents has closed down because they are sick of young people going in and helping themselves to stock.  A car sales place in our town had 7 cars damaged during the night and even though the culprits can be clearly seen on cctv the police can take no action. 2 staff in another local shop have been threatened by 2 lads with hammers and also had their windows put through 3 times now.  A local pub had 8 windows smashed at 2am by a group of lads they had refused to serve because they were under age. That's before you start on the congregation of local youths who gather every Friday/Saturday night on the local park and leave it littered with Bacardi/Vodka bottles and the little 'laughing gas' cannisters. The local graveyard is the same. The local cricket club has all the turf ground up and the benches broken. 

And all this is in a small town, we are not some inner city deprived area.  There is no respect anymore for anyone or anything. We have been going wrong for so long that we have totally lost the battle now, we have let one generation get away without any type of discipline and now that generation are raising the next.  There are always those who use the 'Well, they have nowhere to go' argument. I was a teenager in the late 60s early 70s and guess what, we had nowhere to go either! We also didn't have smart phones, gaming consoles, Ipad's or computers but didn't  see it as  license to use anti social behaviour.

People dont even bother to ring the police now as they know the police are so stretched and will not attend and in turn the culprits know this and so have nothing to lose. Every week the neighbourhood sites and facebook are full of 'Does anyone know this person' type things. The result is that these yobs have a free reign to do as they like with no repercussions and decent law abiding people have to suffer. Crime is not down it is simply not reported. Its an every day occurrence  and we are becoming conditioned to living with it rather than trying to solve the problem.  What sort of world are we creating when we allow anyone to help themselves to anything simply because there is nothing to stop them. I remember a time when murder was a shocking event and made the front pages, now it doesn't even merit a mention unless its pretty sensational, it comes second to who has been up to what with who on Strictly!

Our town is probably pretty representative of hundreds of others. And you think crime is down!

pickledonionspaceraider

74jax said:

renegadefm said:

Not sure if this is even the correct section, but why is it when we reach a certain age,  presumably middle age,  I.E. 50 plus,  everything seems better in your past,  weather,  way of life,  society,  etc etc. 
So why are we as humans when we are younger obsessed with changing it all, only for it to be a disadvantage when we're older? And why do we so easily accept these changes instead of resisting them more profusely?

I think it's the individual. I'm 45 and consider myself middle aged. I can't say I've ever thought about it. Looking back now I don't think it was better, do you mean more people you talk to feel this way or you do? 

I am 44 and consider myself NO WHERE NEAR middle age.  

People do talk this way. It is very common 

pickledonionspaceraider

renegadefm said:

onomatopoeia99 said:

Things weren't better when I was a teenager in the 1980s.  Mental health wasn't talked about, teachers were still permitted to use violence against children, there was no equal marriage, LBG people were far more marginalized than they are today (e.g. section 28), there were no rights for trans people and so on.  Go back further to the 1970s, before PACE, and we have abuses by the police like the Birmingham six and Guildford four. 

Things are far from perfect now, but they are better than when I was younger.

Yeah but you say about teachers using violence, we didnt see it that way then did we? What I mean is if I did something wrong I probably deserved it, my father wouldn't hesitate to smack my !!!!!!, but it did me good, I knew right from wrong. Compared to an out of control generation we have now. Sorry but that's how I see it.
Everything seemed more orderly when I was younger. 

In the 80s things were deffo more orderly.  No one can argue that, its fact - look at crime rate.  They are out of control.  I have my own theories why, but not planning on discussing them on here
Even five year olds are carrying knives these days

pickledonionspaceraider

Mojisola said:

renegadefm said:

onwards&upwards said:

I hope you aren’t planning to hit your child. 

Never had to. And its not something you plan is it?
All I am saying parents today are not allowed to deal with their children in the way they see fit,  we are governed now by the politically correct brigade. 
My father smacked my !!!!!! but it didnt do me harm,  I quickly learned right from wrong. 
Now its the other way around, the kids are hitting their mothers,  please tell me this isnt right. 

So how are you teaching your child to learn right from wrong without using corporal punishment?

Couldn't your parents have used the same methods?

Sorry I am responding to a comment not aimed at me - but from my background - getting a smack was normal back then...
It was the prescribed method of dealing with a naughty child - even the teachers and professors did it.  I mean if educators are doing it, who apparently are expert on these matters - why would parents even question that it be wrong - and a child certainly wouldn't request their parent rethink their discipline method. Furthermore, it was how our parents were brought up - it was a sign of the times. 

I do not know a single person of my age group IRL that didn't get smacked as a child. You did wrong, you knew about it.

There is a huge difference between getting a smack when naughty and child abuse though. and a fine line that was crossed by some

I think the OP is making some very valid points yet some people are using it as an excuse to call him and his parents out, on their parenting skills.  When it is completely irrelevant

Not everything needs to be constant jibes. I see too many posters from the same persons over and over, just jibing at people and never offering anything further or offering any kind of interesting thought, ever.
 Makes me wonder what kind of life these people have to just turn on their computer to have jibes at a stranger, merely because they are from a different back ground.  If you know anything at all about psychology you will know, people who behave like this are never happy in their own lives

Or maybe you just have a problem with people from a different background. There is a name for that, yknow.  But not all of us need to get in to name calling - stay classy!

pickledonionspaceraider

onwards&upwards said:

I hope you aren’t planning to hit your child. 

onwards&upwards said:

I hope you aren’t planning to hit your child. 

I hope you aren't planning to allow your child to think having a massive chip on their shoulder, is normal.

Gavin83

swingaloo said:

 That's a complete misconception. The crime figures may be down but crime is certainly not. 

What evidence have you got for this?