New "Have a Look at This" thread

ijustlovesavingmoney

Castle in Essex £80,000😯

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/164225588#/media?id=media1&ref=photoCollage&channel=RES_BUY

RHemmings

ijustlovesavingmoney said:

Castle in Essex £80,000😯

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/164225588#/media?id=media1&ref=photoCollage&channel=RES_BUY

They claim that it is 'available for residential conversion under 81 E of the National Planning Policy Framework'. Looking into the NPPF, I find:

81. To help ensure that proposals for housing development are implemented in a timely manner, local planning authorities should consider imposing a planning condition providing that development must begin within a timescale shorter than the relevant default period, where this would expedite the development without threatening its deliverability or viability. For major development involving the provision of housing, local planning authorities should also assess why any earlier grant of planning permission for a similar development on the same site did not start.

I'm not sure how this applies here. 

BikingBud

Patr100 said:

Ok, a presentable 4 bedroom house but for £3.4m I'd expect the deer and the church to be included in the sale.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/163239074

Have they put too many zeros on the end?

But trying to sell a house for £3.4 million and they think it important to put pictures of logs and flowers 

BikingBud

RHemmings said:

Here's another property which might amuse me but no-one else. It's a piece of land in Leicester. Initially it looks reasonably promising that it might be possible to build as it's among other houses and is about the right size and shape. 

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/164072843#/?channel=COM_BUY



Here it is on Google Maps 



So, off to the planning portal for Leicester I go, to see what the history is. More interesting than normal. It seems that one person, Owner A, owned it from at least 2007 until at least 2011. In 2007 they made one planning application for a three story building with flats. This was initially refused, for the reason that it would reduce the privacy of surrounding buildsing. In 2008, the same person made another application for a different building, and it was approved. There were minor conditions such as providing a gate and a place to store bicycles. In 2011, the same person applied for extra time to build the building. This was approved, with some caveats as to the position of local sewers and that no building should be within 25m of those. Etc.

In 2015, someone different owned the property. Or at least was the applicant. They made an application for a building of four flats, which was refused. The reason for refusal is that the property is within flood zone 3b. With a risk of flooding of greater than 1 in 20 per year. I checked on the flood risk map, and there it is. 



I presume that something changed in between the two planning approvals and the refusal. Either the flood zone changed, or the planning policy concerning properties in flood zones changed. There was another planning application in 2019 with the same applicant, but that too was refused for the same reason. There have been no applications since then.

Confusingly, as far as I can see, the land last sold for £66,000 in 2018. Between the two planning applications with the same applies. 

The person who made the most recent applications is still an active director of a local firm of solicitors, at an advanced age. 

It's up for auction now, with a guide price of £35,000. However, with the planning refusals, that now seems quite expensive to me. I can see how someone might have thought that given the earlier approvals, if it was bought in say 2013 or thereabouts, that someone might have thought there was a good chance of getting planning permission. But, then whatever happened with the flood zone happened, and now no dice. 

If it was still possible to get a copy of the title register for £3, then I would do so. At £7, I'm less keen. Curious though; I may succumb.  

It seems to be that the moral might be: if you get planning permission, actually build something. Or sell it to someone that will. Because that ability to get planning permission might disappear. 

Given the known planning refusals and the risk of flooding surely this comment:

Possible scope for residential development, subject to planning permission.

Is extremely close to misselling?

RHemmings

BikingBud said:
 

Given the known planning refusals and the risk of flooding surely this comment:

Possible scope for residential development, subject to planning permission.

Is extremely close to misselling?

I have to agree. It might be a bit like advertising a Ford Focus with the claim 'Suitable for competition in Formula One, subject to mechanical work'. 

Or, 'suitable for building a space port, subject to planning permission and billions in investment.' 



Hyperbole of course. But, STPP seems to be used anywhere. Perhaps Kew Gardens is suitable for building over 10,000 small terraced houses, subject to planning permission. 

But, I was thinking about the listing that whoever bought it in 2018 may have looked at the previous planning approvals, and thought it was likely that something similar would be likely to be improved. 

joho

This came up on Facebook. Lovely looking building. Some nice lava swirly carpets.

Rock House, Wirksworth, Derbyshire DE4, 5 bed detached house for sale, £395,000 - Zoopla

RHemmings

joho said:

This came up on Facebook. Lovely looking building. Some nice lava swirly carpets.

Rock House, Wirksworth, Derbyshire DE4, 5 bed detached house for sale, £395,000 - Zoopla

With some of the rooms having bare boards, that at least gives you the opportunity to have more than one room with the same carpet. 

robatwork

Pics 3 and 7 suggest someone was living there. And just couldn't be bothered any more. 

As if the interior wasn't ropy enough, the next-door neighbour stretch of M1 is known as one of the noisiest sections of motorway in the country due to its surface.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/164303504

FreeBear

robatwork said:

Pics 3 and 7 suggest someone was living there. And just couldn't be bothered any more. 

As if the interior wasn't ropy enough, the next-door neighbour stretch of M1 is known as one of the noisiest sections of motorway in the country due to its surface.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/164303504

And a toilet right in the middle of the kitchen/diner.

Ditzy_Mitzy

FreeBear said:

robatwork said:

Pics 3 and 7 suggest someone was living there. And just couldn't be bothered any more. 

As if the interior wasn't ropy enough, the next-door neighbour stretch of M1 is known as one of the noisiest sections of motorway in the country due to its surface.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/164303504

And a toilet right in the middle of the kitchen/diner.

Well, if one pulls an overtime shift in the kitchen then one can have time off in loo...