PCN, DCBL and... devilish idea! 15 January 2020 at 2:46AM edited 15 January 2020 at 3:00AM in Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking 35 replies 782 views

PCNcollector

Hi guys and gals! As I'm a newbie here, I was surprised that I found a thread addressed directly to me :T I have read it all so I could put myself on the right tracks now. Thank you for that!

To make long story short: got a PCN, appealed to PPC, rejected, appealed to IAS, dismissed, (nothing for about 2 months), got NoDR from DCBL, found this forum, ignored NoDR. Now awaiting another NoDR or maybe LBC?

- PCN provided reason: no ticket
- PCN true reason: ticket flipped over, most likely when closing the door
- Ticket has a unique number printed on both sides, it was clearly visible and readable on evidence photos provided by PPC.

I simply believe that they try to clean my pocket of nearly £200 with no reason and thought to fight with them in my own way (I'm not a native Briton so please forgive me my logic). Thus I came up with some devilish idea...

PPC has told me when rejected my appeal that I did not comply wit their rules about clearly displaying the ticket. They stated that it is a private property, they set the rules which were clearly visible around and I should strictly comply with it - otherwise they have right to claim money off me. So I thought to myself...

... what if you put the big sign inside my car (private property) stating that "by taking the photo, movie or any other kind of visual recording of this car you agree to pay £200 for its owner per every single photo/video/other record taken" (private property rules), visible through windscreen (displayed and readable from outside)? Should PPC strictly comply with these rules taking the evidence photos of the "no ticket", despite the fact that the car is parked on their land? Is there any prohibition in British law for placing such signs behind windscreens?

So many questions, but so little answers when you are a bear of very little brain... :A

twhitehousescat

go for it

dont forget to update us

might work on your own drive , however , when entering car park you agreed to there rules . you cannot add or amend them without giving them clear written (in the times) notice

The_Slithy_Tove

You're not the first to have such a Wizard Wheeze. No one has ever reported any success with such a strategy.

nosferatu1001

You offer them nothing in return, so no chance of a contract

waamo

Didn't Samuel Pepys mention such a wheeze in his diary. Of course he picked it up from Will Shakespeare. It probably goes back further than that.

The success rate stands at a mighty zero

fisherjim

I would concentrate on the PCN you got and the advice given on here, forget your theory it's just a diversion that will be laughed at, in fact I think someone made up some yellow and black stickers years ago with just this on them.


Guess what It never got them anywhere.

The_Deep

Better to use tried and tested methods of fighting these scams rather than this old chestnut.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP., it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and in some cases, cancellation.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT]

PCNcollector

Okay, so I have just received a LETTER OF CLAIM from "dcblegal" - is it the same as widely described "letter before court"? If so, what next should I do? Just to remember the case, I have had a ticket purchased on a private parking, but it has flipped over and the only rear side was visible on inspection (together with its unique ID which is printed on both sides of ticket).

Coupon-mad

Yes it is a Letter before Claim.  You have presumably seen the case won about a fluttering ticket this week?  You could always send DCBL a copy of that Order from that court and tell them their client's claim has no prospects of success but you are seeking debt advice and obtaining a SAR from their client so the matter must be placed on hold.

NEWBIES thread tells you about the SAR.

D_P_Dance

Some good stuff here,

https://www.google.com/search?ei=KkGIX4KxN9vS1fAPvMq02A4&q=fluttering+tickets&oq=fluttering+tickets&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCAAyBggAEAcQHjoECAAQHlC7kAFYu5ABYKGsAWgAcAB4AIABZIgBwAGSAQMxLjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiC7oOjzbbsAhVbaRUIHTwlDesQ4dUDCA0&uact=5j

consider complaining to your MP

Ralph-y

try

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/64350585/#Comment_64350585

Ralph