Speeding Ticket Help

tyroneshoelaces

neilmcl wrote: »

Because you were hoping someone would come up with a "technicality" for you to appeal your driving offence, why else. If you really do lack the observational skills to see that particular stretch of road has a restricted speed then I'd suggest you go and get some further driving lessons.

I certainly don't need driving lessons or your suggestions. If there was a technicality then I wouldn't have sent the form back already. I was merely asking the question about the regulations around signage.

neilmcl

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

Well given that a school has been at that site for over 40 years and the leisure centre has been there for at least 30 years plus the road was a 30mph road, I just assumed the speed bumps were put in to stop people from ploughing right through the area at any speed they wish. I had no idea the speed limit had changed.

People can bleat on about the lack of driving skills or not believe me when I say I had no idea if they want, I really couldn't care less. I'll take the fine and points or whatever else they throw at me. It is as simple as that really.

I imagine that college was the main driver for the restrictions which probably came into force when that was built.

tyroneshoelaces

AdrianC wrote: »

And still you won't accept that the root cause of the problem is your mindset - you'll continue to claim you were entrapped by the signage that you couldn't possibly have been expected to see even once in seven years of driving past at least four signs and two road markings each day.

Yup, I won't accept that. I would put money on a car being parked on the one 20mph road marking almost every day. It is not particularly clear in reality. There should be more signs dotted along the lamposts on the clearer stretch of road. At least that way you have more of a chance of seeing them.

Unless you have driven the road, you're talking nonsense really.

AdrianC

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

I was merely asking the question about the regulations around signage.

The very fact you are asking suggests that your mindset is one of "Wah! Unfair! How could I possibly have been expected to know?" rather than "Blimey, I dropped a massively fat hairy one there. Perhaps I'll take the hint."

tyroneshoelaces

neilmcl wrote: »

I imagine that college was the main driver for the restrictions which probably came into force when that was built.

You are probably right with that.

neilmcl

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

I certainly don't need driving lessons or your suggestions. If there was a technicality then I wouldn't have sent the form back already. I was merely asking the question about the regulations around signage.

I beg to differ.

tyroneshoelaces

AdrianC wrote: »

The very fact you are asking suggests that your mindset is one of "Wah! Unfair! How could I possibly have been expected to know?" rather than "Blimey, I dropped a massively fat hairy one there. Perhaps I'll take the hint."

Not quite, it amazed me how they enforce a 20mph zone outside a huge school, a park and a leisure centre yet only use four signs to do so, both of which are at either end of the zone. I find that amazing. Given that the aim is to make it safe, they should be making it as clear as possible as much as possible.

tyroneshoelaces

neilmcl wrote: »

I beg to differ.

Beg to differ all you want sir.

neilmcl

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

Not quite, it amazed me how they enforce a 20mph zone outside a huge school, a park and a leisure centre yet only use four signs to do so, both of which are at either end of the zone. I find that amazing. Given that the aim is to make it safe, they should be making it as clear as possible as much as possible.

It seems very clear to me, and i'd imagine most drivers, that it's a restricted speed area. You really are showing yourself up by continuing to argue this point.

AdrianC

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

Yup, I won't accept that. I would put money on a car being parked on the one 20mph road marking almost every day. It is not particularly clear in reality. There should be more signs dotted along the lamposts on the clearer stretch of road. At least that way you have more of a chance of seeing them.

Unless you have driven the road, you're talking nonsense really.

Let's just look at those markings again, shall we?

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

Here is the street view map. https://goo.gl/maps/8RMJjeXmDZGwZiA8A

...and...
https://goo.gl/maps/e4QwSfWd2J5sY7ed8
OMG. Somebody's parked across half of the 2, leaving the other three quarters of the numbers and the vast majority of the roundel perfectly visible, along with the two roadside signs.

You're seriously claiming that every single time out of the roughly four thousand or more times you've driven along that stretch, those markings were completely and utterly invisible, with absolutely no reason for you to wonder what or why they might have been there?

The other one has bells on.

Oh, and you still drive past a camera van at 35 in what you thought was a 30 with an average of 70m between traffic calming measures... On a road with a college and a known-to-you history of pedestrian fatalities. So what speed would you have been doing without the camera van there? Or did you not see that, either?

When you're this deep in a hole, the appropriate response is not to reach for a larger digger.