Speeding Ticket Help

NBLondon

Yep -that's normal in many towns When the limit changes - you pass between a pair of signs with the new limit and there are repeaters which may be the smaller signs on lampposts or the ones painted on the road. (Some of the legal beagles here can probably point to the legislation that defines how far apart they can be and so on and whether it needs a local order/bye-law or whatever.)

I guess if you actually live within the 20 zone - you don't see the start/end markers but the council would probably have warned all residents when it was established.

tyroneshoelaces

There are no repeaters that I can see anywhere in between the signs and there are no more painted markers on the road either. It is quite a stretch of road for there to be no more signs, I find it odd!

tyroneshoelaces

actually, just looking now. As it is a zone, it doesn't need repeaters. I find that incredulous really given that it is outside a school, a leisure centre and shops. There are should be more signs than anywhere else really!

dinods

I know it's slightly off topic, but they do this for reserved parking bays as well in small white paint. I almost got a ticket a few weeks back because I didn't notice, they should have signs as well, especially in busy high street areas.

tyroneshoelaces

I understand the importance of slower speeds outside schools and such. I am not ignorant to that fact. I drive this road several times a week and have never seen the signs, therefore, they should be clearer in my opinion. However, this tells me that they are more focused on catching and fining etc etc than actually getting people to slow down otherwise they would have signs everywhere I guess.

AdrianC

Put the "But it can't possibly be my fault!" back in the box, and accept that you (and plenty of other people) have simply been consistently and massively unobservant.

The 20 zone is 475m long, past a college, with a short spur to a primary school. In that short distance, there are SIX sets of raised traffic calming measures.
https://goo.gl/maps/1cX5hM3pnZNh4VDN7

It was introduced in 2012, as part of the planning conditions insisted on by the local authority for the college development.
https://democratic.bridgend.gov.uk/Data/Appeals%20Panel/201305031000/Agenda/107858.pdf

The signage is perfectly clear. Not only are there the entry signs you posted a link to, there are 30 signs as you leave the "20 zone" for any side road...
https://goo.gl/maps/Zzj6DRZTisqBeyNC9
...and at the other end.
https://goo.gl/maps/C5S3UgTyK9hfz6e88

tyroneshoelaces

AdrianC wrote: »

Put the "But it can't possibly be my fault!" back in the box, and accept that you (and plenty of other people) have simply been consistently and massively unobservant.

The 20 zone is 475m long, past a college, with a short spur to a primary school. In that short distance, there are SIX sets of raised traffic calming measures.
https://goo.gl/maps/1cX5hM3pnZNh4VDN7

It was introduced in 2012, as part of the planning conditions insisted on by the local authority for the college development.
https://democratic.bridgend.gov.uk/Data/Appeals%20Panel/201305031000/Agenda/107858.pdf

The signage is perfectly clear. Not only are there the entry signs you posted a link to, there are 30 signs as you leave the "20 zone" for any side road...
https://goo.gl/maps/Zzj6DRZTisqBeyNC9
...and at the other end.
https://goo.gl/maps/C5S3UgTyK9hfz6e88

Thanks for the finger-wagging. I haven't put the blame on anyone else. I stated in my first post that I am to blame and deserve what I get. So, you can get down off your high horse.

I was simply stating that I thought the speed limit would have had to be clearly displayed more. The signage entering the road is clear but once you have quickly checked left for any speeding traffic from the blind bend and then turned, you are almost past the sign. Then the signs further up the road as you leave might seem like they are visible but when you are driving through there, there are kids running around, traffic pulling into the three laybys and people crossing the road. You simply have to have your eyes looking everywhere. I know someone who was killed on that road. He was hit by a school bus. That is why the speed limit was more than likely reduced to 20mph, however, as I have said, I would expect it to be rammed down our throats in the shape of signage placed at regular intervals along the road.

tyroneshoelaces

I mean if you click the bottom link you have posted, there is a car half covering the 20mp road marking!

AdrianC

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

Thanks for the finger-wagging. I haven't put the blame on anyone else. I stated in my first post that I am to blame and deserve what I get.

Don't you think that goes slightly against...?

tyroneshoelaces wrote: »

I understand the importance of slower speeds outside schools and such. I am not ignorant to that fact. I drive this road several times a week and have never seen the signs, therefore, they should be clearer in my opinion. However, this tells me that they are more focused on catching and fining etc etc than actually getting people to slow down otherwise they would have signs everywhere I guess.

...and then, having hit 35 between all the traffic calming, you go on to say...

You simply have to have your eyes looking everywhere. I know someone who was killed on that road. He was hit by a school bus. That is why the speed limit was more than likely reduced to 20mph, however, as I have said, I would expect it to be rammed down our throats in the shape of signage placed at regular intervals along the road.

Really? You think you've been looking "everywhere", yet you haven't once noticed the signage in the thousands of times you've been driving down there? And still you clog it between the traffic calming...? Or are you doing a steady 35, including over the calming?

tyroneshoelaces

the facts speak for themselves. I got caught and I will take the fine, it is as simple as that. I don't like the way in which they place these cameras in awkward places and I do believe that the signs should be placed in as many places as possible. It should be about making people aware, as much as possible, what the speed actually is. Not two signs that are almost 500m apart in a bustling, busy area.

and yes, your eyes have to be looking at the parked cars on both sides of the road in the laybys, they have to be ready for the kids who kick footballs around and people stepping out from between vehicles. Add to this the traffic coming the other way that you have to give way to because of cars parked on the pavement due to the lack of parking there. I have genuinely never seen those signs.

You can take the moral high ground as much as you wish. I've been caught, i'm taking it on the chin but I was enquiring about what is expected in terms of the signage. In 18 years of driving, this is my first speeding fine, I think that says a lot in an age where cameras are everywhere.