Minimum bedroom size - social housing

Kentish_Dave

gettingready wrote: »

So asking a simple question makes me a beggar, scum of the earth and now a pervert.

That is just unbelievable...

Your words, not mine.

To give you an honest opinion then if you do intend to keep using the bedroom while not paying for it to be one then yes, I very much question your morals, the same as I do about you not paying your debts yet having an expensive Sky package and spending thousands of pounds on having a house full of pets.

Of course, it’s possible that I have it wrong n this specific case, so why don’t you just clear this up? It’ll take less one than you giving us your faux outrage.

Will you still have someone using the room as a bedroom if you get it downgraded, or not?

If so, then my low opinion of you stands. If not then you have my apologies.

t0rt0ise

csgohan4 wrote: »

I used to live in a HA house, was small but generally grateful for what we were given many years ago, in Hulme, Manchester, generally a very run down area 30 years ago full of druggies and not very nice people, even got burgled twice. But no regrets as still had a roof over our heads.

Your attitude towards social housing tenants is disgusting and sad at the same time. All people should be able to hold their head up in society and not just feel grateful. Sounds like something out of Dickens.

Norman_Castle

onwards&upwards wrote: »

Social tenants are very welcome, when they aren’t rude!

No they're not. One of my first posts on here was about social housing repairs. I had to deal with the same judgemental, condescending abuse from people thinking they are better than those living in social housing.

The third post on this thread set the tone.

Kentish_Dave wrote: »

If you are not happy would it not make sense to free the flat for someone who’d better appreciate it and rent somewhere privately that you really like?

Its unfortunate some people need to be unpleasant to others but it clearly fills a hole in their lives.

babyblade41

If one of my family was living in a house that was not suitable I would go through the proper channels with the HA, they will assess the needs and move you up the bidding category.

I am not entirely sure what you want by making a 2 bed into a 1

onwards&upwards

Norman_Castle wrote: »

No they're not. One of my first posts on here was about social housing repairs. I had to deal with the same judgemental, condescending abuse from people thinking they are better than those living in social housing.

Your thread on Midland Heart?

Literally no abuse, hardly any replies at all, just a few helpful ones from knowledgeable posters.

dimbo61

Bedroom size has now become a big issue all over the country.
With the changes to what is classed as a HMO property from 3 storey and over 5 tenants to properties with 5 or more unrelated tenants the minimum room size for an adult is 6.51m2
That is the size of 2 King sized beds !!!
Now anything less cannot be rented out to an adult Maybe a Child but even then the room must be over 4.61m2 ( I think )
There are hundreds of builders building 2/3/4/5 and more bedroom properties right now that are not 6.51m2
You can walk round hundreds of show homes all over the country that have at least one or two bedrooms under the 6.51m2 minimum adult size
In Manchester the HMO standards are 10m2 for a bedroom and anything less is undersized !
Each council can use there own standards and this is being challenged by the RLA
Residential Landlords Association as the government has set out the room size others have mentioned.
Time to speak to CAB and Shelter then your HA and maybe ask the council what minimum bedr size they require.
You could not rent out this bedroom but your adult ( son/daughter ) can live in it !
Because you are related.
If you watch the daytime TV programs about overcrowding in London you can find 3 bed semi-detached houses with 18/20 RELATED people living in the property and this cannot be regarded as overcrowding but 18/20 Unrelated tenants would be.
There are very strict guidelines for HMO,s relating to the room sizes for bedrooms, kitchen, dinning/lounge and number of bathrooms however they do not apply to single households where everyone is related.

unforeseen

The reason HMO bedrooms have to be so big is that they are more than just a bedroom. They have to act as the person's private living room as well.

Cakeguts

t0rt0ise wrote: »

Your attitude towards social housing tenants is disgusting and sad at the same time. All people should be able to hold their head up in society and not just feel grateful. Sounds like something out of Dickens.

I don't agree with you. There is far to much entitlement in UK society at the moment. It starts at school. Everyone is entitled to pass everything and never fail even though people do fail a lot are the most successful.



No one is entitled to be housed at the expense of everyone else if they are fit and well and can work. They are also not entitled to be housed at the expense of everyone else in the area that they have chosen to live in. The only people who can be expected to be housed are those whose disabilities make them unable to be housed in normal housing. Those are the people society should be housing but at the moment there are too many people who expect others to give pay for their lifstyle and choice of area to live in because of a sense of entitlement. There are people living in social housing who could afford to move out and either buy somewhere or rent from a build to rent company but they don't because they like the cheap rents.



Social housing is seen as an entitlement rather than a safety net. Public money is used by housing associations to provide housing. Other people are paying for this through tax. People should be prepared to be grateful for being given something by others not see it as an entitlement.



Benefits are seen as an entitlement rather than a safety net. Some people who are fit and well get benefits as an entitlement even though they have never paid enough tax to cover them. Who do they think is paying for all this? Take child benefit for example. If you earn over a certain amount you don't get it but people get it who haven't paid a penny into the system. Why? If you can choose to have a child you can choose to contribute to society by paying into it.



At the moment there is a lack of personal responsibility. If you need a house you make your own arrangements you do not rely on other people to support your lifestyle.

t0rt0ise

Cakeguts wrote: »

Social housing is seen as an entitlement rather than a safety net. Public money is used by housing associations to provide housing. Other people are paying for this through tax. People should be prepared to be grateful for being given something by others not see it as an entitlement.

That is simply not true. You should do some research to learn how Housing Associations are funded. You would then be able to make a more cogent argument.

justjohn

Norman_Castle wrote: »

The third post on this thread set the tone.


" Originally Posted by Kentish Dave
If you are not happy would it not make sense to free the flat for someone who’d better appreciate it and rent somewhere privately that you really like?"

Its unfortunate some people need to be unpleasant to others but it clearly fills a hole in their lives.

I thought that post by Kentish Dave was actually very diplomatic.