A Question for Tory Supporters

Takedap

30ismorethan171991haha wrote: »

And apparently we're "baaaad" because Rees-Mogg lounged around on the Commons' seats? or because BoJo is a brazen liar? what's worse? lying to the Queen about the prorogation? Or lying to the WORLD about WMDs? one has a far more destructive effect.

Boris supported the Iraq war. Corbyn voted against it.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-voting-record-fox-iraq-climate-equality-immigration-tax-a9016691.html

30ismorethan171991haha

Takedap wrote: »

Boris supported the Iraq war. Corbyn voted against it.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-voting-record-fox-iraq-climate-equality-immigration-tax-a9016691.html

Who voted for it is immaterial. Labour initiated it.

westernpromise

Theophile wrote: »

The more the Barclay Brothers (Sir David Rowat Barclay and Sir Frederick Hugh Barclay), Dacre and the Murdochs flog that antisemitism dead horse, the more the polls tighten.
They haven't learned a thing from 2017.

Why. because Labour is a party for racists? At last something we agree on.

westernpromise

Herzlos wrote: »

I think Corbyn would actually do alright, his policies make sense and he's pretty calm and collected. Maybe we need a few years being led by a quiet competent leader with no charisma after so many years of morally void politicians who know what to say.


To say they are both bad isn't entirely fair, they are but they are leagues apart. Johnson is a whole other league - whilst I'd be OK with Corbyn running the country, I wouldn't let Johnson run to the shop to get the morning paper.

If you're prepared to vote for an anti-Semite, how are you not an anti-Semite yourself?

Arklight

westernpromise wrote: »

If you're prepared to vote for an anti-Semite, how are you not an anti-Semite yourself?

Simply calling people antisemitic repeatedly like you are a broken, and rather dull, record, doesn't make them so.

If you'd like to provide some evidence of antisemitism that we can discuss then fine, we can do that. I appreciate this would be rather far advanced of your ability to present a reasoned argument, so I shan't hold my breath.

For everyone else, the polls are tightening and we have a real opportunity on Thursday to overturn a decade of Tory xenophobia, cruelty, and austerity. A party of privilege that cares only about their billionaire backers who now own 80% of the media. Make your vote count! Let's have a country to be proud of.

Anyone who has kids in a state school, elderly relatives who need and deserve a dignified retirement, or who values our NHS and the fantastic equality it offers, make your vote count! We can do better than Boris Johnson and his casual racism, his lies. his meanness, and the trolls who support him. They haven't won yet, don't let them!

Herzlos

westernpromise wrote: »

If you're prepared to vote for an anti-Semite, how are you not an anti-Semite yourself?

Because despite all of the shouting from the right wing,, he's very obviously not anti-semitic.

westernpromise

Herzlos wrote: »

Because despite all of the shouting from the right wing,, he's very obviously not anti-semitic.

1. He defended Stephen Sizer, who had posted anti-Semitic material online.
2. He wrote the foreword praising a “brilliant” book which argued that banks and the press were controlled by Jews.
3. He supported Paul Eisen, a Holocaust denier, and attended several of his events.
4. He defended a mural that contained anti-Semitic tropes, including depictions of “hook-nosed bankers” playing monopoly on the backs of the poor.
5. He attended an event on Holocaust Memorial Day in 2010 that compared Israel to the Nazis.
6. He “laid a wreath next to the graves of Black September terrorists” and later claimed he was “present but not involved”.
7. He said “Zionists...don’t understand English irony despite having lived in the country for a long time”.
8. He failed to call out anti-Semitic abuse, undermining his commitment that he opposes all forms of racism.
9. He pressurised staff dealing with anti-Semitism to “take a lenient approach”.
10. He initially reisted adopting the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definiton of anti-Semitism.
11. He defended Chris Williamson against allegations of anti-Semitism weeks before he was suspended for those allegations. Mr Corbyn said he was “not anti-Semitic in any way”.

When Corbyn says "Zionist" what does he actually mean? He means "yid", correct?

Does he have a special code word for any other ethnic minority?

triathlon

Herzlos wrote: »

Because despite all of the shouting from the right wing,, he's very obviously not anti-semitic.

most of the anti semitic rhetoric is coming from the islam community which is strong within labour, corbyn is a lot of things, but he is not racist

triathlon

Herzlos wrote: »

Because despite all of the shouting from the right wing,, he's very obviously not anti-semitic.

most of the anti semitic rhetoric is coming from the islam community which is strong within labour, corbyn is a lot of things, but he is not racist

jimi_man

Herzlos wrote: »

Because despite all of the shouting from the right wing,, he's very obviously not anti-semitic.

I do get the impression that there is a real 'closing your eyes to the obvious' about this whole anti-Semitism issue in the Labour party. A case of ignore it and deny it in the hope that it will go away. It gives the impression that there isn’t a problem at all, which is either extremely deluded or else it’s a desperate attempt to deny what’s going on.

When you have the UK Chief Rabbi who states that he is fearful of a Corbyn government; a sizeable Jewish community with similar fears; the Jewish Labour movement who no longer back the Labour party; Corbyn's (as well as the rest of the Labour front bench) unbelievable sluggishness in apologising and dealing with anti-Semitic incidents within his own party; associated numerous anti-Semitic incidents within his own party and even Labour's own pet newspaper - The Guardian, publishing articles citing his and his party's anti-Semitic tendencies, then you know that this isn't just a 'right wing' media issue and that this is a very real problem.

Irrespective of who wins on Thursday, he needs to get a grip on this and he has singularly failed to do that thus far. There is a huge problem, there are numerous reports from within his own party of anti-Semitic issues and I fail to see how people cannot acknowledge this. (Unless of course they are of that persuasion themselves). Tacit acceptance was how the Holocaust started.

On a lighter note, I read about Corbyn’s rather embarrassing ‘faux-pas’ over the Queen’s speech. I mean, why would Corbyn lie? Everyone knows he’s a republican so no-one expects him to watch the Queens’s speech. Reminiscent of David Cameron’s ‘pasty gate’, in the same way that no-one would expect Cameron to buy and eat a pasty. Corbyn is trying maintain the moral high ground as a sincere politician with honest principles – lying just ruins all that especially over something as silly as that.