A Question for Tory Supporters

Poor_Leno

Tories : UK break-up Brexit deal or no deal
Labour : customs union Brexit deal or 2nd referendum with 16 yr olds given vote.
Lib Dems : Revoke or 2nd referendum with EU nationals and 16 yr olds given vote.

Arklight

I really wish Corbyn had just stuck it to the lying toad yesterday,and then rounded on how biased the BBC have been in this campaign. I have never seen a politician babble so much, when the one pre-vetted, mildest of mild question from the audience member sneaked through gently implying his dishonesty.

Every single statement Johnson made was either light on facts, or ragingly dishonest.

dont_use_vistaprint

Neither of them are fit to run the country, vote tactically for a hung parliament until the parties put credible leaders in place

westernpromise

But only one has been declared the world's worst anti-Semite:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1214465/election-2019-news-jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-simon-wiesenthal-centre-boris-Johnson
The claim was made by Rabbi Marvin Heir from the US based Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a Jewish human rights organisation. In an interview with the Mail on Sunday, Rabbi Heir accused the labour leader of helping to mainstream anti-Semitism. He also warned that Britain risks becoming a pariah state if Mr Corbyn is handed the keys to 10 Downing Street.

And the Labour Party made him their leader - twice.

I think if I hadn't already got there, that would be "the point where you would actually become so ashamed of your party that you would stop voting for them" - the point where "No one has done more to mainstream antisemitism into the political and social life of a democracy than the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour Party."

Theophile

westernpromise wrote: »

The claim was made by Rabbi Marvin Heir from the US based Simon Wiesenthal Centre,

Never heard of rabbi Marvin Heir so googled him.

Rabbi Marvin Hier praises Trump for being only US leader to deliver

https://www.timesofisrael.com/wiesenthals-rabbi-marvin-hier-praises-trump-for-being-only-us-leader-to-deliver/


Enough said.

Theophile

The more the Barclay Brothers (Sir David Rowat Barclay and Sir Frederick Hugh Barclay), Dacre and the Murdochs flog that antisemitism dead horse, the more the polls tighten.
They haven't learned a thing from 2017.

Herzlos

dont_use_vistaprint wrote: »

Neither of them are fit to run the country, vote tactically for a hung parliament until the parties put credible leaders in place

I think Corbyn would actually do alright, his policies make sense and he's pretty calm and collected. Maybe we need a few years being led by a quiet competent leader with no charisma after so many years of morally void politicians who know what to say.


To say they are both bad isn't entirely fair, they are but they are leagues apart. Johnson is a whole other league - whilst I'd be OK with Corbyn running the country, I wouldn't let Johnson run to the shop to get the morning paper.

Takedap

Herzlos wrote: »

I think Corbyn would actually do alright, his policies make sense and he's pretty calm and collected. Maybe we need a few years being led by a quiet competent leader with no charisma after so many years of morally void politicians who know what to say.


To say they are both bad isn't entirely fair, they are but they are leagues apart. Johnson is a whole other league - whilst I'd be OK with Corbyn running the country, I wouldn't let Johnson run to the shop to get the morning paper.

Corbyn doesn't frighten me. McDonnell & Abbott do. I am a lifelong Labour supporter but I have no idea how to vote.



I'm seriously considering a "None of the Above" written across my ballot paper as it would at least be recognised as a protest whereas simply not turning up is viewed as apathy.



But it would break my heart to do it as I have a very good constituency MP who is likely to be thrown out because he wants to save our town from Brexit.

30ismorethan171991haha

Arklight wrote: »

Is there a point where you would actually become so ashamed of your party that you would stop voting for them? I mean, what would it would actually take?

21 MPs booted out for not wanting to follow the wild delusions of a cabal of Bullingdon 1930s comedy villains. One of those ejected, one of the most respected statesmen in British politics, and the other the grandson of Winston Churchill. Who are you going to replace him with; do you have the grandson of Goebbels warming up in the wings? I don't think anyone would be surprised.

But let's be honest. Even though Bozo The Clown is PM, half the currently incumbent Tory MPs are appearing on Channel 4 News every evening in the lobby of Parliament saying that they no longer recognise their own Party (which let's be honest, wasn't exactly a magnet to great humanitarians in the first place) and Whitehall is planning for actual starvation in November, you'd still go and vote for them in a heartbeat tomorrow. You wouldn't even look at the candidate.

So, what actually would it take? If Boris Johnson came to your house, babbled incoherently, smashed the windows of your car, handed you a P45, set fire to your shed, kicked you in the goolieknackers and walked off with your significant other - would that actually finally be the last straw? I'm genuinely curious.

Only if the party had many gross misdemeanors.
or serious corruption.

But then no:

- foreign wars based on false claims of WMDs
- rife allegations of antisemitism
- A leader whom most think is "honest" but will turn out to be like the rest of them

I'm a Tory since I believe in Tory principles - that's it.

30ismorethan171991haha

And apparently we're "baaaad" because Rees-Mogg lounged around on the Commons' seats? or because BoJo is a brazen liar? what's worse? lying to the Queen about the prorogation? Or lying to the WORLD about WMDs? one has a far more destructive effect.