A Question for Tory Supporters

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

it just happens to be the most common theme regarding voting intention.

Right, there is the axe the working time directive group, the we believed everything would be the same but £350 million for the NHS group, the it was a protest vote against "the establishment" (although apparently it has played into the establishments hands quite well).

The rest either don't want to spell out their reason, or proudly give their non xenophobic reason which is basically dressed up xenophobia.

I don't think I've forgotten anyone?

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

My favoured outcome is that we have freedom of movement throughout the entire world. There are some hurdles to get over, but that is the direction we should be heading.

Hurdles is an understatement.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hurdles is an understatement.

How can it be an understatement when I didn't state the size or number of hurdles?

It must be a good post if that is all you could pick on.

Arklight

phillw wrote: »

We've never completely had uncontrolled immigration, so I don't know what it would be like.

But free movement for EU citizens (with some necessary caveats that we can use if we choose) that we currently enjoy has benefited everyone in this country.

I certainly don't want to have to pay millions of pounds a week to keep track of people coming and going and vetting them.

Ideally it would be great if there was free movement of people among all countries, but there are huge barriers to that. You'd need to wait until everyone was prepared to live under the same laws first.

Anyway, back to the topic. I wonder how much time Boris has left, that public money he gave to the woman he probably slept with can't be ignored forever. Do conservatives still support him?

He's posh, a bit of a c0ck, and gives the impression that he is only dimly aware that people who went to a state school exist, like servants who emerge from the basement at night to tidy. So, Middle England will vote for him in droves.

As this thread has proved, it literally makes no difference what the Tories do, their brainwashed voters will never stop supporting them. A bit like when Bill Sykes kicked Bullseye to death and with his last gasp he was still trying to stagger after him. That's basically the English class system. At least Scotland will be free of it.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

He's posh, a bit of a c0ck, and gives the impression that he is only dimly aware that people who went to a state school exist, like servants who emerge from the basement at night to tidy. So, Middle England will vote for him in droves.

As this thread has proved, it literally makes no difference what the Tories do, their brainwashed voters will never stop supporting them. A bit like when Bill Sykes kicked Bullseye to death and with his last gasp he was still trying to stagger after him. That's basically the English class system. At least Scotland will be free of it.

I’ve a feeling the GE, when it comes won’t be about the continuance of brain washed Tories voting Tory in middle England, but perhaps the end of Labourites voting Labour in their traditional heartlands.
Thanks to Brexit, Britain is abandoning its penchant for voting on class grounds, just a quick glance at the Labour conference this week should be enough for most ordinary voters to realise that Corbyn’s Labour is now the party of the quinoa eating, soap dodging activists, and I expect them to haemorrhage votes in the upcoming GE.
Scotland does indeed have a big decision ahead, I expect the canny Scots to vote with their heads, hearts and their wallets and opt to keep the circa £15bn bung it gets from middle England every year.
Ironically the class divide has been brought sharply into focus again by middle class Remoaners who’ve spent he last three years denigrating Leave voters by dint of their low educational attainment and their non-metropolitan location in provincial areas of the UK.
Bring on the GE, I’ve a feeling it’s going to be chastening experience for you.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

angry noises

Sounds like you'll be heading to the polls in a poor mood yet again.

Looking to punish someone but not knowing who or why. You'll do what you did last time and just pick whichever party you think would most upset the type of person (who exists only in your imagination) who's been rotten to you.

Not that it would've been too difficult to guess you were going to vote for the Brexit party anyway.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

I’ve a feeling the GE, when it comes won’t be about the continuance of brain washed Tories voting Tory in middle England, but perhaps the end of Labourites voting Labour in their traditional heartlands.
Thanks to Brexit, Britain is abandoning its penchant for voting on class grounds, just a quick glance at the Labour conference this week should be enough for most ordinary voters to realise that Corbyn’s Labour is now the party of the quinoa eating, soap dodging activists, and I expect them to haemorrhage votes in the upcoming GE.
Scotland does indeed have a big decision ahead, I expect the canny Scots to vote with their heads, hearts and their wallets and opt to keep the circa £15bn bung it gets from middle England every year.
Ironically the class divide has been brought sharply into focus again by middle class Remoaners who’ve spent he last three years denigrating Leave voters by dint of their low educational attainment and their non-metropolitan location in provincial areas of the UK.
Bring on the GE, I’ve a feeling it’s going to be chastening experience for you.

Don't you worry that your hate is clouding your judgement?

I don't know what you've got against quinoa, but I think you've completely misunderstood that particular demographic.

The problem with Scotland is that their politicians are second class in England, but first class in the EU. So it's a slightly different dynamic than English politicians who are fed up with having to compromise with your neighbors rather than ruling them with an iron fist. So losing any money they currently receive from England (which if the UK leaves the EU will be worth much less) is a small price to pay. It's not all a one way street as well, England has made money from Scotland.

Cakeguts

In the last GE quite a lot of the Tory vote was from working class voters and quite a lot of the Labour vote was from middle class voters who are basically champagne socialists. I think that the middle class Labour voters could see themselves in the Labour politicians who are all basically champagne socialists. I don't think there are any Labour politicians that are not from priviledged backgrounds. My MP went to a private school and then to Oxbridge. That is not quite grew up on a council estate and worked as a care worker on minimum wage is it?

phillw

Cakeguts wrote: »

and quite a lot of the Labour vote was from middle class voters who are basically champagne socialists.

Any point you were going to make has been lost, because I want to focus on your suggestion that people shouldn't vote labour if they are middle class. What tosh.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/socialism-equality-money-poor-working-class-welfare-politics-economy-a8614226.html

This pejorative term is designed to attack and denigrate those who publicly champion socialism yet don’t necessarily look at the price of an avocado before they put it into their basket.

In other words, we have enjoyed the benefits of capitalism, we work it but, dammit, we still don’t want to see people sleeping on the streets; or parents forced go to a food bank to feed their children. We still protest, us champagne socialists, we still believe in the welfare state.

It's a cold and calculated argument. If you can embarrass all the champagne socialists into keeping quiet then anyone left are poor people and you can argue that poor people would ask for money, because that is all poor people ever do. It's only when champagne socialists stand up for the poor that anyone takes notice. They are necessary to make changes, you know this & it's why you target them.

Sailtheworld

Cakeguts wrote: »

In the last GE quite a lot of the Tory vote was from working class voters and quite a lot of the Labour vote was from middle class voters who are basically champagne socialists. I think that the middle class Labour voters could see themselves in the Labour politicians who are all basically champagne socialists. I don't think there are any Labour politicians that are not from priviledged backgrounds. My MP went to a private school and then to Oxbridge. That is not quite grew up on a council estate and worked as a care worker on minimum wage is it?

Spoken like a true Tory. Absolutely no idea why anyone with some money in the bank would vote Labour and still clinging to the idea that only blokes with whippets and working down t'pit part time should be Labour MPs.

You're going to get riled up during the GE campaign when your fellow Tories start posting photos of Jeremy Corbyn's house.