A Question for Tory Supporters

Arklight

babyblade41 wrote: »

I was bought up to only have children if you could provide a roof over your own head before bringing another human into the world.

Having kids is not a god given right it is a responsible decision for the sake of the child... don't have what you can's afford

The priority of most people (well, apparently most people who aren't paid up card carrying Tory party members) is to ensure children don't suffer unreasonably from poverty.

If you cut off benefits to poor parents then their poor children suffer equally or more. Incidentally most parents living in poverty forego meals themselves in order for their kids to eat, but then that doesn't fit with your poor hating narrative.

JGB1955

I voted to Leave. The constuency I live in voted to leave. Sadly our 'waste of space' MP, Mark Harper, not only thinks he had the ability to be Prime Minister, but thinks he knows better than us Leavers. How arrogant can he be?... Surely his remit is to represent his constituents, not his personal agenda?...

Cakeguts

Arklight wrote: »

The priority of most people (well, apparently most people who aren't paid up card carrying Tory party members) is to ensure children don't suffer unreasonably from poverty.

If you cut off benefits to poor parents then their poor children suffer equally or more. Incidentally most parents living in poverty forego meals themselves in order for their kids to eat, but then that doesn't fit with your poor hating narrative.

I don't hate poor people but of course I know who the really poor are. They aren't families. Anyone who has been able to make the choice to have a child is not poor. They are well off. Just think so disabled that you cannot live in normal housing those are the poor. It isn't to do with money. It is lack of choice.



The people who annoy me are the ones who expect the rest of the population who have made good choices and some of them are not well off to pay for their lifestyle choices.



A child is now a lifestyle choice. Planet earth doesn't need any more people.

babyblade41

Arklight wrote: »

The priority of most people (well, apparently most people who aren't paid up card carrying Tory party members) is to ensure children don't suffer unreasonably from poverty.

If you cut off benefits to poor parents then their poor children suffer equally or more. Incidentally most parents living in poverty forego meals themselves in order for their kids to eat, but then that doesn't fit with your poor hating narrative.

I've never heard such tosh.. I have yet to see any benefit receiving parents do without food, cars, tv, phones, games machines. and I have 2 in my OH's family

If you can't provide a reasonable standard of living before bringing a child in this world then don't have them...it's not my job to pay for the care and won't be made to feel bad.. that's the parents who made that decision.

My youngest has just turned 30, both her and her partner have good jobs and a home, they can't afford children as they and the child would struggle if they did..it's called responsibility something I wish a lot of parents had

Arklight

babyblade41 wrote: »

I've never heard such tosh.. I have yet to see any benefit receiving parents do without food, cars, tv, phones, games machines. and I have 2 in my OH's family

If you can't provide a reasonable standard of living before bringing a child in this world then don't have them...it's not my job to pay for the care and won't be made to feel bad.. that's the parents who made that decision.

My youngest has just turned 30, both her and her partner have good jobs and a home, they can't afford children as they and the child would struggle if they did..it's called responsibility something I wish a lot of parents had

So to paraphrase, you really couldn't care less about children who have poor parents and would rather they starve on the street to deter other people from having any.

Well that sure hasn't worked in any point in history in any country that has tried to eradicate child poverty, but in Tory World, that's our future.

babyblade41

Arklight wrote: »

So to paraphrase, you really couldn't care less about children who have poor parents and would rather they starve on the street to deter other people from having any.

Well that sure hasn't worked in any point in history in any country that has tried to eradicate child poverty, but in Tory World, that's our future.

Of course not, but it's not me who's wrong it's the parents bad choice that is wrong.

Why blame me?..put the blame at the irresponsible parents door

Those children should be not allowed to live in poverty but they are ..living a god forsaken life with idiots.

Who I do feel for are those who have children , work and do everything possible for their child ..and make responsible choices ..work and pay for their child and don't blame society for their financial worries

Cakeguts

Arklight wrote: »

So to paraphrase, you really couldn't care less about children who have poor parents and would rather they starve on the street to deter other people from having any.

Well that sure hasn't worked in any point in history in any country that has tried to eradicate child poverty, but in Tory World, that's our future.

You can't eradicate child poverty it is completely impossible. The reason why you can't eradicate it simply because there are always going to be irresponsible parents. There are some people who it doesn't matter how much money you give them they can still spend all of it on themselves and not on their children.



Any family where one of the parents is a smoker or drinker is not poor they are what used to be called spendthrift. A family who has a car is not poor.



There are people turning up at food banks who are not poor they just can't manage their money and after free financial advice they can. At some food banks it was 90% were out of financial difficult in 2 months.



What annoys me most about all of this is the selfish attitude of people who have children they can't afford. It is all about what they want and not about the child who hasn't asked to be born.



No one has a right to anything. No one has a right to have a child especially in an overpopulated world.

Arklight

Rudd resigns. No longer able to stomach the lurch to the right and the party purge of moderates.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/amber-rudd-resigns-from-cabinet-and-surrenders-conservative-whip?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Arklight

Cakeguts wrote: »

You can't eradicate child poverty it is completely impossible. The reason why you can't eradicate it simply because there are always going to be irresponsible parents. There are some people who it doesn't matter how much money you give them they can still spend all of it on themselves and not on their children.



Any family where one of the parents is a smoker or drinker is not poor they are what used to be called spendthrift. A family who has a car is not poor.



There are people turning up at food banks who are not poor they just can't manage their money and after free financial advice they can. At some food banks it was 90% were out of financial difficult in 2 months.



What annoys me most about all of this is the selfish attitude of people who have children they can't afford. It is all about what they want and not about the child who hasn't asked to be born.



No one has a right to anything. No one has a right to have a child especially in an overpopulated world.

You can't "turn up" at a food bank, you have to be referred. You can only visit a few times and if you're referred by the council they will assess your spending first.

You are misinformed on this topic. I suspect you are very far removed from it as well. Both in finances and circumstance.

phillw

lvader wrote: »

There is nothing immoral about wanting sovereignty and less immigration.

Yes, there is. Especially the reasons why leave voters want it.

lvader wrote: »

The irony is that some of the most Brexit areas of the UK are Labour heartlands.

Why is it ironic? They were lied to and told that things would get better after brexit. They were convinced they had nothing to lose. They were wrong.

If you mean it's ironic because you think I'm a Labour supporter, that would be a wrong assumption

lvader wrote: »

No, not unless you count Labour who’s official stance was/is to support Brexit.

Their manifesto was to remain in the single market, so Brexit In Name Only. Which I'm led to believe isn't Brexit. It's therefore quite dishonest to claim a vote for Labour was in support of Brexit. "Look at all those remain voters who are voting for labour because they support the single market, I'll troll them and say that Labour are a brexit supporting party". The same kind of trolling as Boris is doing by saying that Labour should support a GE.