A Question for Tory Supporters

Herzlos

Weren't there more remain party MEPs than leave party MEPs?

lvader

Herzlos wrote: »

Weren't there more remain party MEPs than leave party MEPs?

No, not unless you count Labour who’s official stance was/is to support Brexit.

Blue264

Just out of interest, do any of you have individual MPs who think talk sense or genuinely care about the people they represent? I think there are good and bad in all the parties, but there are still some MPs who stand out as being fair minded and decent. None of them have a perfect voting record and I don't agree with them on everything, but on the whole, they seem like decent people.

Two that stand out to me are Jess Phillips and Tobias Ellwood.

lvader

Jess Philips is man hating and sour, quite louthsome.

Blue264

But do you have any individual MPs that you like?

Arklight

I'm Labour and I can't stand Jess Philips. Two faced, gobby, back stabbing hypocrite.

lvader

I quite like Stephen Barclay.

Arklight

Cakeguts wrote: »

The problem I have with Marxism is that it doesn't take into account human nature and because of this it rewards people who have made bad choices.



For example the people who don't have children tend to have more disposable income in each income bracket than those that do. Those who don't have children pay through tax, child benefit and education for those that do which is a good thing to do. However there is a point where those that don't have children should not be expected to give up their wealth in order to pay for those who have had children as a bad choice. By that I mean choosing to become pregnant at a young age when you don't have suitable housing or a job that will pay for the child.



This isn't about wealth distribution it is about choices. No one in the UK forces anyone else to choose to have children at 18 while unemployed and with nowhere to live. If you do that you have made a choice.



The people who often don't have any choices are the disabled in our society. But Marxist policies don't make their lives any better either because they reduce all levels of society to poverty by rewarding the bad choices. They work on the basis that no one is entitled to anything except the leaders who are entitled to everything.



You cannot give everyone equal wealth. If everyone in the UK got paid exactly the same wage some people would still come out with more in savings. Some people would still spend every penny they get on things that they don't need. That is human nature.



You also cannot work out levels of poverty by comparing families with each other. With a certain income a family of 5 children is always going to have less disposable income than a family with only one child. The family of 5 children has chosen to be less well off and that it their choice.



What I would like to be done in this country is for their to be less emphasis on people who are making bad choices and more emphasis on people who don't have choices. There is very little choice in housing available if you need single person supported housing because of disability. Compared to single disabled people all families in the UK are well off and none of them are living in poverty because they had that choice of children in the first place they could have chosen not to have them. The single disabled people don't even have that choice.


We should stop rewarding people for having more children than they can afford. The planet doesn't need any more people.



I am not worried about climate change because I am not a member of the climate change cult thank goodness. I actually don't support cult activity of any sort. If you know that the earth warms every 1000 years or so you don't worry about it getting a bit warmer again.



All political parties seem to be intent on creating a nanny state where no one is allowed to live with the consequences of a bad choice.

Child benefit is paid to keep children from poverty. Not to reward parents. Anyone who has children thinking Britain's benefits system is going to reward them for it needs to have a look at their maths. I wish there was some way to pay the benefits straight to the children and make sure the money is spent well but there isn't.

The best proven way to break the cycles of benefit dependent generations is Sure Start centres and schools.

There's roughly a 70% chance a kid growing up in poverty will end up in work and or higher education with Sure Start, and roughly a 70% chance they'll end up jobless and or in prison without.

Which is why the Tories have closed all the Sure Start centres.

The Tories don't care about or want to resolve poverty.

babyblade41

I have been a life long tory, paid up member..proud to be so.. I did vote for Brexit in the Euro elections as a protest vote

Could never vote labour and certainly would never vote for this current lot .. their recent escapades on BBCQT and the education minister are hilarious. not even counting abacus abbott , but they are good for a laugh I suppose.

For me the next GE is about Brexit so whoever will action my choice will get my vote ..easy

babyblade41

Arklight wrote: »

Child benefit is paid to keep children from poverty. Not to reward parents. Anyone who has children thinking Britain's benefits system is going to reward them for it needs to have a look at their maths. I wish there was some way to pay the benefits straight to the children and make sure the money is spent well but there isn't.

The best proven way to break the cycles of benefit dependent generations is Sure Start centres and schools.

There's roughly a 70% chance a kid growing up in poverty will end up in work and or higher education with Sure Start, and roughly a 70% chance they'll end up jobless and or in prison without.

Which is why the Tories have closed all the Sure Start centres.

The Tories don't care about or want to resolve poverty.

I was bought up to only have children if you could provide a roof over your own head before bringing another human into the world.

Having kids is not a god given right it is a responsible decision for the sake of the child... don't have what you can's afford