A Question for Tory Supporters

Herzlos

babyblade41 wrote: »

If you can't provide a reasonable standard of living before bringing a child in this world then don't have them...it's not my job to pay for the care and won't be made to feel bad.. that's the parents who made that decision.

How do you feel about people having kids when they can afford them, and then circumstances change so they now can't?

Herzlos

At some food banks it was 90% were out of financial difficult in 2 months.

Because alot of people have temporary financial problems, such as the universal credit delay that drove a huge spike in food bank usage.

Blue264

Herzlos wrote: »

How do you feel about people having kids when they can afford them, and then circumstances change so they now can't?

Exactly! Well said Herzlos.

I really can't understand why people with some of the views on this thread are on a forum like MSE which has a high percentage of members who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own.

My sister-in-law was widowed at 25 when her 33 year old husband died of cancer a 2 months after being diagnosed. They had an 11 month old daughter. Because he had been part of group prosecution against his former employer for exposing their employees to toxic chemicals, and he was the 3rd of his team to die of cancer within a year, his works pension and death in work insurance was withheld for over 2 years.

Cases like that are not rare. My mum worked for CAB and spent every day dealing with people in dire need through no fault of their own.

Kentish_Dave

Arklight wrote: »

Is there a point where you would actually become so ashamed of your party that you would stop voting for them? I mean, what would it would actually take?

This one’s easy, an opposition that was not lead by antisemitic terrorist sympathising Marxists who would very likely destroy the economy in the same way that their heroes in Venezuela did.

Kentish_Dave

phillw wrote: »

Smug liars who want all your money for themselves or Labour wanting to spend money on the poor.

Very difficult choice.

You’ve got that !!!! about face.

The Conservatives don’t want my money, but Labour supporters do. Why should the government take more of my wage than they currently do, and give it to others?

phillw

Kentish_Dave wrote: »

The Conservatives don’t want my money, but Labour supporters do.

Nope
Labour wants to tax you, so it can spend the money on the people.
Conservatives want your money for themselves. Like JRM who has made a fortune by driving down sterling since brexit.

Whichever you choose you lose, but in one all your money goes to rich elite establishment. Brexit for them is the gift that keeps on giving. From your wallet.

babyblade41

Herzlos wrote: »

How do you feel about people having kids when they can afford them, and then circumstances change so they now can't?

That is exactly what welfare is all about, a safety net not a lifestyle choice

worried_jim

justjohn wrote: »

need a party that stands up and says things how they are. I would have voted LD but they sold there soul for some silver last time they were in power.

They are getting my vote as when the chips were down they manned up and took one for the team. The other two main parties are Ebola and Yellow Fever, the LD's are a Cold in comparison much easier to go about your daily business as you recover from one.

Does make politics a bit lively at the moment, but I hate what the U.K. has become and if I could I would leave now and never watch or read the news ever again. It is now civil war but done in a very British way with no fighting although quite a few deserve a jolly good slap- looking at you JRM.

triathlon

Blue264 wrote: »

Just out of interest, do any of you have individual MPs who think talk sense or genuinely care about the people they represent? I think there are good and bad in all the parties, but there are still some MPs who stand out as being fair minded and decent. None of them have a perfect voting record and I don't agree with them on everything, but on the whole, they seem like decent people.

Two that stand out to me are Jess Phillips and Tobias Ellwood.

Jess Philips, you are joking?
She is fighting a fight that has already been fought in my opinion and by people who were far tougher and principled than her. She loved her 15 minutes of fame on crap like Have I got news for you or any of the other dross on TV these days as she comes across like a suffragette while stuff her face full or pastries(seen this) when in theory she was not fit to tie their laces.

triathlon

babyblade41 wrote: »

I've never heard such tosh.. I have yet to see any benefit receiving parents do without food, cars, tv, phones, games machines. and I have 2 in my OH's family

If you can't provide a reasonable standard of living before bringing a child in this world then don't have them...it's not my job to pay for the care and won't be made to feel bad.. that's the parents who made that decision.

My youngest has just turned 30, both her and her partner have good jobs and a home, they can't afford children as they and the child would struggle if they did..it's called responsibility something I wish a lot of parents had

Saddest thing I have seen with welfare in modern times is people who try to claim after years/decades of hard work and who hit some kind of adversity in their life who are walked all over and punished for not being crafty enough to know the in's and outs of abusing it, I have seen this so many times.
How many people can remember the start of this abuse, the now infamous printed off newsletters going around the Tech colleges and dole office among certain types of people on how to abuse it and within in the law in most cases.

And don't get me started on food banks, if I see one more weeping mother with several kids who is clearly several stone overweight, looking into the camera as she announces she has to "go without eating for the sake of her kids"