A Question for Tory Supporters

phillw

lvader wrote: »

well I voted remain but the moral high ground for Brexit is quite clear, its what the people voted for.

Don't dodge the question, I was talking about the intentions for wanting to leave. When you consider how the campaign was run, then there is no moral high ground in the result either.

The brexit party have already started up their hate fueled facebook adverts again.

lvader wrote: »

There are others like greater local accountability

How is that a good intention? You want to be able to punish politicians if they make a choice that you don't like?
You'd rather a less effective system, because it gives you a warm feeling?

lvader wrote: »

and divergence of what Euro nations need for financial stability

That doesn't even make sense, stability by trying to pull the rug from it and compete with them on terms that are unfavourable to them?

So anyway, still no good intentions for leaving the EU.

markharding557

Tories should be ashamed that their party has proved themselves incapable of carrying out BREXIT in an orderly, organised manner with very necessary negotiated trade agreements in place. They have made an utter and total shambles of it.:mad:

Labour should hang their heads in shame as well for apparently having no position, nothing to say or contribute for nearly three years on BREXIT, all the while playing politics.:mad:


The Liberal Democrats al least have their remain views which they have not deviated from so I would say they deserve the support of the remainers who vote for them.


For the record I support BREXIT but oppose leaving with no deal.

phillw

markharding557 wrote: »

For the record I support BREXIT but oppose leaving with no deal.

How do you think we should leave?

lvader

phillw wrote: »

Don't dodge the question, I was talking about the intentions for wanting to leave.

There is nothing immoral about wanting sovereignty and less immigration. The irony is that some of the most Brexit areas of the UK are Labour heartlands.

markharding557

phillw wrote: »

How do you think we should leave?

With appropriate trade and political agreements secured which is what our useless politicians were unable or unwilling to do.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

That doesn't even make sense, stability by trying to pull the rug from it and compete with them on terms that are unfavourable to them?

It is critical for the Euro survival that the countries involved have far greater integration. That isn't a new idea, eventually Germany isn't going to keep bailing out courtiers that don't have fiscal discipline.

Thrugelmir

markharding557 wrote: »

with very necessary negotiated trade agreements in place.

Trade deals follow once the agreement to leave has been sorted. Not before. The UK has no authority to do so either under EU law.

6 out of the top 10 trading partners of the EU are on WTO terms. Reflects the poor track record of the EU striking deals that matter.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps post war economic theory has run it's course. New kids on the block are changing the rules. The old empires are in terminal decline. At least Germany runs a balanced budget. Something our own politicians might be wise to take on board.

OK so a balanced budget is your preferred measure of competence

Since 1980 there have only been six years when a budget surplus has been delivered, twice whilst the Conservative's John Major was Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1988 and 1989 and four times whilst Labour's Gordon Brown was Chancellor, in 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001.

Arklight

lvader wrote: »

It's a foible of the left that they believe they hold all the moral high ground. I can accept there are good people with good intensions on both sides and understand the balance between capitalism the need to have a social safety net.

Capitalism is an economic system not an ideology. The fact you appear to believe left wing politics in some way wants to do eliminate money and private ownership points to the fact you know little about it.

Right wingers are adept at using epithets such as Marxists, Communists and Trotskyists as insults with next to no understanding as to what any of these terms mean.

Some of us would just like disabled people not to have to keep killing themselves in despair at austerity caused by the heartless calculated cruelty of the Conservative Party. A party which is committed to ensuring the the 1% of people who own 50% of the country, and mostly have done since their Norman ancestors stole it, continue to shoulder none of their share of the burden.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-thousand-secret-landowners-author

prowla

None of the parties currently in Parliament are fit for purpose.

• The Tories are like a bunch of cats in a sack.
• Labour can't even unite themselves, let alone unite the country.
• The LibDems purpose in life is to overturn the democratic wishes of the country.
• The Greens seem hell-bent on alienating anybody who doesn't live in a tent and eats turnips.

They are a bit of a disgrace, in all honesty.