A Question for Tory Supporters

lvader

I don't think there is any appetite for a Brexit similar to the one agreed by the EU, it's time to just leave (no deal) or no Brexit. A vote for the Lib dems is just a vote for Labour. You might get to cancel Brexit (not even Labour knows it's Brexit stance anymore) and the economy will tank anyway due to Corbyn policies.

MaxiRobriguez

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hardly policies. Just an attempt to garner support from disaffected voters. Where's the vision going forward? The solutions. Maintaining the status quo isn't the solution. As the rifts will simply fester.

What are the Government's vision and solutions going forward?

It appears the current plan is to simply secure as many votes as possible in an upcoming GE by promising Brexit as soon as possible for the Brexit folk and tempting others with promises of unfunded spending rises on public services.

What's the masterplan for 2021? At least 'status quo' is some sort of a plan, albeit one fraught with rifts like you say.

ruperts

westernpromise wrote: »

A post that perfectly demonstrates that the typical Labour supporter is a mere simulacrum of a human being - superficially mistakable for one, but not all there in any important respect.

You'd think after a decade of 'your boys' being in power, such changes would have been made so as to allow you to reach your goals in life and in doing so achieve a degree of life satisfaction, but here you are coming across as an extraordinarily bitter and unhappy person, lashing out with childish insults toward anyone who dare not agree with you, repeating the same old Tory cliches that were proven wrong years ago.

Do you think there will ever come a point where you realise that your thorough disappointment with life isn't actually the fault of the Labour party? Or will you just go on blaming them forever even when they've not been in power for years?

Thrugelmir

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Prior to that, spending was in line with previous Tory governments, primarily because the last Labour government was economically centre/right.

You are overlooking Brown's welfare state policies. Plus the increase in public sector workforce of 500,000 people to administer the plans. Brown and Blair fell out as early as 2005 (it's on the public record now) as Blair knew that Brown's spending plans were unsustainable. Brown benefited from revenues thanks to the oil price spike and City of London tax revenues. A castle built on sand foundations. The PPI payouts having entirely wiped bank profits for the era now.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hardly policies. Just an attempt to garner support from disaffected voters. Where's the vision going forward? The solutions. Maintaining the status quo isn't the solution. As the rifts will simply fester.

Certainly the country needs calming down, there has been too much reaction to the leave brainwashing campaign. Both by the targets of it and the people who complain about it.

It'll probably take a couple of generations, like Ireland is slowly changing. There is no real rush though.

lvader wrote: »

I don't think there is any appetite for a Brexit similar to the one agreed by the EU

With who? Parliament rejected it for various reasons. ERG because they need to be out of the EU completely to get their personal payoffs. Labour because the conservatives were being too shifty in how the future negotiations would work. It's lack of faith in the untrustworthy conservatives that has delayed brexit

That lack of faith appears to be 100% justified.

MaxiRobriguez

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You are overlooking Brown's welfare state policies. Plus the increase in public sector workforce of 500,000 people to administer the plans. Brown and Blair fell out as early as 2005 (it's on the public record now) as Blair knew that Brown's spending plans were unsustainable. Brown benefited from revenues thanks to the oil price spike and City of London tax revenues. A castle built on sand foundations. The PPI payouts having entirely wiped bank profits for the era now.

Increase in public sector workforce of 500,000 is in line with population growth. Population grew by two million between the 91-00 and 01-10 censuses. Public sector as a % of total employment has barely changed in the years from 2000 through to now.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/timeseries/g9c2/lms

And that slight increase in the past few years is likely attributable to self-employment/zero-hours for public institutions rather than direct employment, but it's basically the same thing.

City of London tax revenues I've argued on another thread were enjoyed too much by the Labour Government, but the bigger miss was not curtailing some of the freedoms and excesses which may have prevented the UK element of the financial crisis, rather than spending it. But, that would have gone down like a led balloon at the time, especially with a Tory opposition that were promoting greater City freedoms and more public spending.

westernpromise

The Tories were advocating lighter touch regulation that worked, not farcical bureaucracy that utterly failed.

Labour caused the GFC by implementing shoddy and inept standards of financial oversight that others copied to maintain their competitive position. This regulatory structure failed its first test. Without Gordon Brown, there would never have been a sub-prime crisis in the US. Labour wrecked the world's economy, not just our own.

MaxiRobriguez

westernpromise wrote: »

The Tories were advocating lighter touch regulation that worked. Labour caused the GFC by implementing shoddy and inept standards of financial oversight that others copied to maintain their competitive position.

I hope the Tory party are paying you well to post this stuff, otherwise you need to ask for a raise. :rotfl:

westernpromise

I work in the relevant industry. It's not even a matter of debate that Labour's incompetent tripartite structure caused the GFC any more than it's a matter of debate that the earth is round. The debate ended 10 years ago.

Labour is motivated by envy and hate, which make it institutionally psychotic and wholly unfit to run a whelk stall.

MaxiRobriguez

westernpromise wrote: »

I work in the relevant industry.

Don't panic, your birthday card has been sent to SW1H 9HQ.