A Question for Tory Supporters

Arklight

Loanranger wrote: »

Get a grip! None of this is verifiable by facts and no, quoting the Guardian does not count as facts.

Absolutely all of it is verifiable as fact.

I'm not going to source it all for you. You can find out from the OECD, the WHO and gov.uk's stats yourself with 10 minutes on Google.

I'll start you off with the UN though. That famous leftist pressure group.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/16/uk-austerity-has-inflicted-great-misery-on-citizens-un-says

Arklight

Loanranger wrote: »

Get a grip! None of this is verifiable by facts and no, quoting the Guardian does not count as facts.

westernpromise wrote: »

A post that perfectly demonstrates that the typical Labour supporter is a mere simulacrum of a human being - superficially mistakable for one, but not all there in any important respect.

Which for someone who's been living in his elderly parents' loft conversion for the last 30 years, is quite some statement.

lvader

Arklight wrote: »

Absolutely all of it is verifiable as fact.

I'm not going to source it all for you. You can find out from the OECD, the WHO and gov.uk's stats yourself with 10 minutes on Google.

I'll start you off with the UN though. That famous leftist pressure group.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/16/uk-austerity-has-inflicted-great-misery-on-citizens-un-says

According to the OECD the US has more poor people than Mexico, it's a relative measurement against GDP. There are people in other parts of Europe far more destitute the than the UK and don't have access to other non cash benefits like free healthcare. Since we are all part of the European union why not measure the Europe as a whole and see where the most poor live.

Thrugelmir

ruperts wrote: »

Tory voters love to rant about Labour but at the end of the day the Tories have been in power for nearly a decade and the result is a society in complete ruins, wages lower than they were at the start and a decimated pound, all while the wealth of the rich is at record levels.

Called globalisation. As a nation we spend more than we earn. Lack of productivity is a concern. Unfortunately buying and selling houses doesn't create wealth. Meanwhile every week another UK company gets bought out by overseas interests.

Minimum wage increases plus employers pension contributions have been above increase in inflation,

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Called globalisation.

It's not globalisations fault, it's the conservatives get rich quick schemes that work for them and their mates. If you're not in the club then you are out of luck.

sevenhills

BoGoF wrote: »

You could ask exactly the same question of the candidates on the other side of the chamber. Champagne socialists, terrorist sympathisers who hate our armed forces, over run by Momentum. They are a scary thought in power.

But that is why Labour are not way out in the lead, because they too are unpopular, the Liberal Democrats are picking up lots of votes.
But there needs to be good candidate locally for that swing to the LD to take effect, otherwise its just a swing at the polls, which will disapear on election day.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

It's not globalisations fault, it's the conservatives get rich quick schemes that work for them and their mates. If you're not in the club then you are out of luck.

Labour is a global market. The new silk roads get busier every day.

I know plenty of rich socialists. The fact they regard themselves as working class. Is quite laughable.

sevenhills

ruperts wrote: »

Tory voters love to rant about Labour but at the end of the day the Tories have been in power for nearly a decade and the result is a society in complete ruins, wages lower than they were at the start and a decimated pound, all while the wealth of the rich is at record levels.

They have been the by far the worst British government in the post-world war era. They go down as the worst current developed country government in the world, and one of the worst British governments of all time. They have been a total, unmitigated disaster on almost every conceivable level. The history books will judge them as the government that ended Britain's status as a leading country.

Boris would prefer to blame the EU

phillw

Conina wrote: »

.... I could be tempted except for one reason: they have already openly stated that unless decisions go their way they won't comply with them = they are not democratic.

Democratically elected MPs introduced a law, Boris won't comply with it.

So that is lib dems and conservatives that aren't democratic. How about Labour?

When democracy doesn't go your way then you get throw a strop, so you aren't democratic either.

Herzlos

Arklight wrote: »

That's very true. But many poor people vote Tory. In direct contravention of their interests. So called "strivers", middle income battlers. Pensioners. Anyone with their kids in a state school, who needs the NHS, or uses public transport, is measurably worse off under the Tories. Yet they keep voting for them.

Because they believe Labour will tax them all to death to give it to the unemployed and immigrants.