A Question for Tory Supporters

lisyloo

Arklight wrote: »

Is there a point where you would actually become so ashamed of your party that you would stop voting for them? I mean, what would it would actually take?

I’m ashamed and don’t think I’ll vote Tory ever again or at least for a very long time.

I can’t tell you at what point this happened over the last couple of years (since 2017) but it’s not very recent.

It is not just brexit, it’s the nastiness in not supporting genuinely vulnerable people.
My FIL needed residential care last year (as it happened for only 11 days). The hard pressed local authority tried to split up MIL and FIL who were married for 60 years to save a few quid. He was bed bound and her wheelchair bound so they would not have seen each other much if in different homes due to a wheelchair taxi being required. We won in the end and they spent his last few days together but not all vulnerable people have articulate advocates to fight for them.
My FIL did National service so I think he deserved to be looked after for 11 days.

There are more stories about dying or disabled people but that one I have personal experience of.

So it’s also about the way we treat the most vulnerable in our society as well as brexit.

I will be voting Lib Dem in the next election and fully expect them to take the current Tory seat. I do not need reminding this might let Corbyn in, I know that.

Herzlos

I think we've been long stuck in a rut of voting against the other guys. Whilst Corbyn is the antichrist who'll confiscate everything any honest workers ever earned, they'd never vote anything but Tory. Even if the PM was literally Hitlers corpse.


I'm not sure you'll ever see a clear answer to this, just as there's never an answer to "What needs to happen for you to agree Brexit was a bad idea?"



I remember seeing a quote one saying that everyone is against the lazy taking unearned wealth from everyone else who works hard. The difference being the right believes the poor are the lazy ones and the left believes the rich are the lazy ones. Curiously, the money being spent on benefits (to the poor) is nothing compared to money lost from tax evasion (the rich), but each to their own.

lisyloo

Herzlos wrote: »

I think we've been long stuck in a rut of voting against the other guys. Whilst Corbyn is the antichrist who'll confiscate everything any honest workers ever earned, they'd never vote anything but Tory. Even if the PM was literally Hitlers corpse.

There are people all the way along the spectrum.
Some of us are not that obsessed about Corbyn and are more worried about brexit and climate change.

Yes he does divide people and labour would be infinitely better off if they made Keir Starmer leader.

SpiderLegs

Arklight wrote: »

Is there a point where you would actually become so ashamed of your party that you would stop voting for them? I mean, what would it would actually take?

It’s certainly a tough call.
What it would really take is for the labour to not be controlled by anti-Semitic terrorist-sympathising Marxists.

Sort that out and then there’s an actual decision to be made.

Herzlos

SpiderLegs wrote: »

What it would really take is for the labour to not be controlled by anti-Semitic terrorist-sympathising Marxists.

It's not. Corbyn is none of those, and he isn't in complete control of the party either - he does what the party wants, as he should.

westernpromise

Lokolo wrote: »

Please correct me if I am wrong, but during the coalition, weren't Lib Dems promised a number of their agendas to be passed from the Tories?

You're wrong. As nobody had a majority a horse trade was done whereby certain policies were given up.

The LibDems wanted a referendum on electoral reform and got one in return for support for the boundary changes. They lost the referendum and in a rage promptly welshed on their promise to approve the boundary changes, which is why the next election will be fought on 2005 boundaries. Thanks, LibDems! - who are neither liberal nor democrats.

shaggydoo

BoGoF wrote: »

However my voting days are over. None of them deserve it.

Take a look at the Lib Dems...the current bunch are a breath of fresh air.....

westernpromise

Lokolo wrote: »

I think they did the correct thing, without hindsight. They were promised some of their manifesto ideas being implemented. The Tories didn't allow it.

More accurately, the LibDems horse-traded certain objectives away. One that they did get implemented was raising the personal allowance. As a result of the adoption of this policy, only 59% of earners pay any income tax at all, 25% of it is paid by the top 1% (who only earn 12% of the money), and 41% of the population has an incentive to vote for golden elephants for all because it has no consequences for themselves personally.

We may well find out quite soon how smart is was to allow 25% of your income tax revenue to disappear if the most mobile 1% of your population does.

shaggydoo

justjohn wrote: »

I am ashamed of MOST of the political parties.

Take a look at the Lib Dems....

Conina

shaggydoo wrote: »

Take a look at the Lib Dems....

.... I could be tempted except for one reason: they have already openly stated that unless decisions go their way they won't comply with them = they are not democratic.