A Question for Tory Supporters

patch9495

Forgive the ignorance however can someone explain what JC policies regarding equality are??

Herzlos

knightfox wrote: »

I prefer the choice. The choice to work as hard as you want and then gain the results from this. I want everyone to be able to be the next millionaire in the UK. Thats fair. If you dont want to then thats also fine.

Do you think that'll be easier to achieve under Labour, with free education and health care (it's hard to be a productive entrepreneur with untreated medical conditions), or under the Tories?
Equality and social mobility have declined a lot lately.

MaxiRobriguez

This is a money forum, people come on here typically have, or want to have, a sound financial footing. Such people would vote Tory because it has in the years gone by been in their interest to do so. There's no shame in that. What is weird is the people in the midlands and the North who have fewer assets who are deserting Labour to move to the Tories, despite ten years of Tory government. Doesn't make sense to me.

However, you do have to wonder if this current Government (as in, the last six weeks or so) would be the best party to preserve our capital. Forgetting Brexit for just a moment, of which a hard Brexit would likely knock on asset prices, the real problem is the blatant lack of regard for process, order and democracy the likes of Cummings and Johnson are showing. Proroguing of parliament to shut down debate, supporting filibustering in the Lords to prevent discussion, suggesting they won't elevate a bill passed by both houses to royal ascent and simply ignore the law.

Ignoring the fact that such things are an affront to democracy, what is that going to do for inward investment and productivity after Brexit if investors have zero trust in UK order? Profits down, lending costs up and hard to come by at the same time.

I'm not a Tory voter but I feel sorry for those who are genuine Tory voters because their party have been taken over by the madhouse. They make Corbyn's Labour look righteous, disciplined and a government in waiting. But that's Boris for you, he's lied his way to the top and thrown friends and colleagues under the bus to do so and now he's here there's no plan and a lot more scrutiny.

I expect the Tories to narrowly be the largest party in the next GE which will happen in November, but they'll be in a hung parliament, struggle to get anything done such that it inevitably splits, with the front bench and ERG merging with the Brexit party lot and the remaining moderates trying to save what's left of their party.

Nice one Boris.

westernpromise

Herzlos wrote: »

Yet the Tories, the supposed safe guardians of our economy have done an even worse job of all of that in the last decade. So can Labour actually be any worse? Beyond, you know, aiming for a bit of fairness?

They bequeathed Labour a golden economy and inherited Labour's usual smoking wreckage.

"Fairness" my !!!! - envy, spite, and entitlement aren't fairness.

westernpromise

Sailtheworld wrote: »

How are the Tories getting on with their stated aim of eliminating the deficit by 2015?

Perhaps there are some areas of public spending you think should have been cut more, so we could get there faster? Or perhaps some of the 41% who pay no income tax at all should put their hands in their pockets and maybe contribute a bit?

Of course, it would have helped if Labour hadn't doubled the national debt and left an economy in which the state spent £4 for every £3 it received in tax.

Slime in roughly human form.

westernpromise

patch9495 wrote: »

Forgive the ignorance however can someone explain what JC policies regarding equality are??

1/ For the many, not the Jew
2/ Token women, Asians and gays, but
3/ no woman, Asian or gay leader because all the ones he has are moron promoted through tokenism and unfit to run a whelk stall

I think that's about it.

phillw

westernpromise wrote: »

1/ For the many, not the Jew
2/ Token women, Asians and gays, but
3/ no woman, Asian or gay leader because all the ones he has are moron promoted through tokenism and unfit to run a whelk stall

I think that's about it.

We can see where your policies on lying are, you're a good student of farage & boris.

nkomp18

For me Lib Dems are the clear choice, since Tories and Labour are hated so much. It also helps that they have clear Brexit policies and they are such that can be delivered easily. (i.e revoking article 50 or having a second referendum are both easily implementable).

The promises Tories made that somehow we can have the cake and eat it, were never a realistic scenario. Brexit is damaging, question is how much damage you want to receive and Boris is going for complete decimation. I really struggle to imagine if there is anyone at all who can vote for Tories in the next election knowing that it clearly means the most damaging form of Brexit

Thrugelmir

nkomp18 wrote: »

It also helps that they have clear Brexit policies and they are such that can be delivered easily. (i.e revoking article 50 or having a second referendum are both easily implementable).

Hardly policies. Just an attempt to garner support from disaffected voters. Where's the vision going forward? The solutions. Maintaining the status quo isn't the solution. As the rifts will simply fester.

MaxiRobriguez

westernpromise wrote: »

They bequeathed Labour a golden economy and inherited Labour's usual smoking wreckage.

"Fairness" my !!!! - envy, spite, and entitlement aren't fairness.

Debt/deficit shot up on the back of the financial crisis. Prior to that, spending was in line with previous Tory governments, primarily because the last Labour government was economically centre/right. Perhaps they could have done more to curtail freedoms and excess in the City in the years prior to the crisis but, they didn't want to because it was working nicely at the time, and besides it would have gone down like a led balloon at the time from folk like yourself.

It's interesting how the current Tory government have basically lived off the broken reputation of a previous Labour government who had to deal with a global financial crisis. It's not hard to see that the next time Labour get in (which they will, because people get bored easily) they will use any fall-out from Brexit as a "Tory made" economic disaster. Repeat ad-infinitum to make it a 'truth' the country believes and live off that for a decade or so.

Twas ever thus.