Will Brexit happen?

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“At the end of the day it’s No Deal or Corbyn”, wrote Daniel Finkelstein today. When we put that choice to the public they said they prefer No Deal by 48% to 35% https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/17/48-35-britons-would-rather-have-no-deal-and-no-cor?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=no_deal_no_corbyn

Suffice to say I think Labour have some work to do over the course of the GE campaign.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

Project Fear again :T

You really believe that a Marxist government wouldn't have a serious effect on the economy? I mean it's not like previous labour government where there was a risk they would do something stupid. Corbyn has already set out how he is going to ruin the economy.

qwert_yuiop

Conina wrote: »

That is an unnecessary statement leading to a nasty comment, sadly typical of some remainers who are supposed to be the ones welcoming migrants with open arms!

FYI there are many British people who are born or who have lived for a long time outside the UK.

I'm not saying that this is the case for Adindas but it saddens me that - yet again - another remain poster questions the contributor and not the content of the post; well even though you're losing the debate please try to play the ball, not the man.

There are indeed plenty of British people living outside the uk, and I have no doubt that if they interfere in local politics they’re given short shrift.
Is there a debate to lose? Brexit is not going to happen - my favoured option of remain is about to be declared the winner, although I’ve been referred to somewhat aggressively as a loser by adindas

lisyloo

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You aren't bothered about a Corbyn led Government dictating domestic economic policy?

Yes I am

No deal will pale into insignificance.

That’s not my current view, but I like to think I’m an open minded poster when presented with facts that challenge my view.
Please feel free to educate me (not interested in express or daily mail) if you come here to educate then this is a chance to actually do that.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Well there seems no plan as to how to exit the EU on terms which everyone finds acceptable. The UK is simply sinking into further disunity. With factions simply fighting for there own longer term objectives. At least Boris has tried to bring matters to a head. The lack of support for a General Election sounds like power grabbing by the back door. With Corbyn & Co afraid to face the electorate.

If Boris was so keen to bring matters to a head he could've helped to do that ages ago instead of playing the long PM game.

There's a logic to the idea that the EU won't be forced into compromise if they think we wouldn't contemplate leaving without a deal. Not that I've ever thought threatening self-harm is much of a negotiating strategy you understand.

Boris' problem is that he's neither trusted nor trustworthy so there's a suspicion he wants no-deal anyway and his logic, such as it is, is nothing but a disguise for acting in bad faith.

Herzlos

lisyloo wrote: »

It’s definitely high stakes stuff.

Which isn't a problem to Boris as he's immune to all of the consequences. Worst case is he'll slink off into the back bench or obscurity for a while.

Tromking wrote: »

Carry the can for what exactly?

Brexit, particularly a no deal. He doesn't want to be the one holding the parcel when the music stops, because he'll get the blame for it. He's doing his best to remain as PM whilst dodging Brexit and sounding like he's pushing for it. But if he really wanted a no deal Brexit, why prorogue Parliament with enough time left to allow MP's to kill it off?

Rinoa

Guido can today reveal that pro-Governemnt forces in the House of Lords have a comprehensive, co-ordinated plan to prevent Hilary Benn’s anti-No Deal ‘Surrender Bill’ from becoming law, in the likely event it is passed in the Commons this evening.

The Shadow Leader of the Lords yesterday proposed a Business Motion to change the conventions of the House of Lords preventing the bill being talked out and forcing it to be taken on Thursday and Friday. The motion includes the imposition of mechanisms such as time limits, alien to House of Lords convention. Pro-Government peers, however, have tabled 86 amendments to the Business Motion, each of which require two votes to be heard and dismissed…

The pro-Government plan will see the very motion intended to ease the passage of the Benn Bill become the roadblock to it being passed. Senior Lords sources inform Guido that the time it will take the upper chamber to hear and vote on each amendment, as its rules compel it to do, would take up continuous 24/7 sitting until Saturday. Only after then could the Remainers’ anti-No Deal Bill be put. The Tories are determined to not see the Prime Minister’s hands bound in these negotiations. They have a real chance of talking the bill out in the Lords before the earliest opportunity to prorogue Parliament presents itself on Monday morning…

UPDATE: 17 more amendments have have come in now, taking the total up to 102. Each must be voted on twice. We’re looking at more than 100 hours of continuous debate…

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phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

When did democracy stop working for the people?

When the leave campaign broke democracy.

lvader wrote: »

You really believe that a Marxist government wouldn't have a serious effect on the economy?

1. there is a limit to how quickly he could actually do anything, there is likely to be enough resistance within parliament against anything really damaging. Labour MPs themselves aren't JCs biggest fans.

2. if you compare no deal and EU+JC then yes I think EU+JC is much more benign.

Thinking that JC would be the worst possible outcome is just more blind tribalism that got us into this mess.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

When did democracy stop working for the people?

Populism isn't working for the people. It's making soundbites appealing to popularity, but with nothing to back it up. It's all sunny uplands and brexit dividends.

You aren't bothered about a Corbyn led Government dictating domestic economic policy? No deal will pale into insignificance.

What's so bad about a Corbyn led Government that'd make no deal pale into insignificance?
It all seems pretty reasonable to me. So reasonable that the Tories keep stealing parts of it.


I'm sure I'd seen research that lots of people agreed with Corbyn policies when told they were made by someone else. So I believe the problem is the man (who's been demonised for decades) and not the policies. Especially since he's not a dictator.

lvader

Herzlos wrote: »

Populism isn't working for the people. It's making soundbites appealing to popularity, but with nothing to back it up. It's all sunny uplands and brexit dividends.





What's so bad about a Corbyn led Government that'd make no deal pale into insignificance?
It all seems pretty reasonable to me. So reasonable that the Tories keep stealing parts of it.


I'm sure I'd seen research that lots of people agreed with Corbyn policies when told they were made by someone else. So I believe the problem is the man (who's been demonised for decades) and not the policies. Especially since he's not a dictator.

Governments stealing assets from companies and people is normally a very bad idea!