Will Brexit happen?

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

To be honest they are more afriad of Johnson moving the goalposts and moving the election date back so that No Deal happens by default with no approval by Parliament.

Election will be held earlier rather than later. The UK is still negotiating with the EU. A deal may yet be struck. The EU has problems if the UK crashes out as well. Already planning emergency financial support for Eire.

lisyloo

Filo25 wrote: »

ICorbyn is as divisive and unpopular as ever

Are you sure about that?
I live in a Tory/lib dem swing seat and a former Tory voter.
I consider myself pretty central but in the past I felt the Tories have been more competent.

In this situation - bj or Corbyn I’d vote Corbyn because I don’t want no deal.

Being a traditional Tory voter and actually very anti-Corbyn I never thought I’d say that but this is the dire straits we are in.

Anecdote of 1 clearly, but we’ve just seen 21 Tory rebels, so do I represent a number of center Tory remainers who feel they just have to go against no deal?

As it happens my choices are Tory or Lib Dem, so I won’t be voting labour. I am guessing my seat will go Lib Dem.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Election will be held earlier rather than later. The UK is still negotiating with the EU. A deal may yet be struck. The EU has problems if the UK crashes out as well. Already planning emergency financial support for Eire.

No evidence of any meaningful negotiations going on at present, still no proposal on the table for what replaces the backstop. Who knows what will change post election, but sod all chance of anything being agreed pre 31st October even if Johnson had won yesterday.

I fully agree we are getting an election sooner rather than later, November at the latest I would think

Filo25

lisyloo wrote: »

Are you sure about that?
I live in a Tory/lib dem swing seat and a former Tory voter.
I consider myself pretty central but in the past I felt the Tories have been more competent.

In this situation - bj or Corbyn I’d vote Corbyn because I don’t want no deal.

Being a traditional Tory voter and actually very anti-Corbyn I never thought I’d say that but this is the dire straits we are in.

Anecdote of 1 clearly, but we’ve just seen 21 Tory rebels, so do I represent a number of center Tory remainers who feel they just have to go against no deal?

As it happens my choices are Tory or Lib Dem, so I won’t be voting labour. I am guessing my seat will go Lib Dem.

Corbyn had 15% gross approval in a poll last week and -59% net, those are legendarily awful numbers. To be fair he campaigns well, and yesterday probably helped so we will see how those numbers move.

I know plenty of pretty hardcore Remainers who would struggle to vote Labour if they thought it meant a realistic chance of Corbyn in Downing Street.

worried_jim

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Well there seems no plan as to how to exit the EU on terms which everyone finds acceptable. The UK is simply sinking into further disunity. With factions simply fighting for there own longer term objectives. At least Boris has tried to bring matters to a head. The lack of support for a General Election sounds like power grabbing by the back door. With Corbyn & Co afraid to face the electorate.

There was a plan? I seem to remember Bojo the liar and coke head Gove looking very sheepish the day after the referendum. I hope they are waking up in the night with the terrors at the damage they caused this once United Kingdom.

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

In this situation - bj or Corbyn I’d vote Corbyn because I don’t want no deal.

You aren't bothered about a Corbyn led Government dictating domestic economic policy? No deal will pale into insignificance.

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

I don’t get this.
The by elections we’ve had have meant the Tories have lost seats.
Getting rid of “national treasures” like winston Churchill’s grandson could lose further votes from people who are voting for the individual.

He also doesn’t have the power to call a GE unilaterally.

It’s definitely high stakes stuff.

He can't do it unilaterally, but JC said he wants one anyway. BJ is hoping that appealing to populism will carry him through.

If it doesn't then he doesn't care, he'll just say that he was sorry he was prevented from delivering on brexit & hope that appealing to populism next time will work.

It's not particularly high stakes for him as he doesn't care about any of the issues, just appealing to populism.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

With Corbyn & Co afraid to face the electorate.

The electorate are whipped up into a frenzy of delusion by BJ, I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks they are receptive to reasoned debate on policies at the moment.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You aren't bothered about a Corbyn led Government dictating domestic economic policy? No deal will pale into insignificance.

Project Fear again :T

MobileSaver

lisyloo wrote: »

bj or Corbyn I’d vote Corbyn because I don’t want no deal. Being a traditional Tory voter and actually very anti-Corbyn I never thought I’d say that

As it happens my choices are Tory or Lib Dem, so I won’t be voting labour. I am guessing my seat will go Lib Dem.

Similarly, I am a life long Conservative voter and absolutely don't want a No Deal brexit so will not be voting for BJ but I cannot bring myself to vote for Corbyn either... so the same as you I will vote Lib Dem albeit for different reasons.

What I find interesting is that Corbyn is obviously Labour's millstone, get rid of him and they will have a real chance of getting back into power but there seems to be little sign of that happening.

phillw

MobileSaver wrote: »

Similarly, I am a life long Conservative voter and absolutely don't want a No Deal brexit so will not be voting for BJ but I cannot bring myself to vote for Corbyn either... so the same as you I will vote Lib Dem albeit for different reasons.

I'm more worried about wasting my vote, whoever could win in my constituency will get my vote.

Not sure Lib Dems have recovered enough, I don't really think there is enough time for a GE before 31st October let alone 17th.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK is still negotiating with the EU. A deal may yet be struck.

Reminds me of Star Wars Episode 1.

AMIDALA : We must continue to rely on negotiation.
BIBBLE : Negotiation? We've lost all communications!...and where are the Chancellors Ambassadors? How can we negotiate?

There are no negotiations, BJ wants a winner takes all mexican stand off on the 17th. The EU have ruled that out.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

It's not particularly high stakes for him as he doesn't care about any of the issues, just appealing to populism.

When did democracy stop working for the people?