Will Brexit happen?

markj113

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Thanks for your survey results. I don't expect they'll subject to the same rigour here surveys suggesting the opposite.

here's a little pre reading for you
https://twitter.com/search?q=gammon&src=typed_query

Sailtheworld

markj113 wrote: »

here's a little pre reading for you
https://twitter.com/search?q=gammon&src=typed_query

Gammon has been constantly mentioned three times now on this thread. Twice by you.

It's nice of you to protect the feelings of shouty, late middle-aged men with purple complexions. What would the poor snowflakes do without you.

markj113

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Gammon has been constantly mentioned three times now on this thread. Twice by you.

It's nice of you to protect the feelings of shouty, late middle-aged men with purple complexions. What would the poor snowflakes do without you.

constantly = 3 times in 25 pages.


been to the diane abbott school of maths?

Sailtheworld

markj113 wrote: »

constantly = 3 times in 25 pages.

been to the diane abbott school of maths?

Didn't I see you there....

markj113 wrote: »

Constant posting about gammons, wanting the elderly to die to remove their leave vote and much worse.

markj113

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Didn't I see you there....

You miss quoted me or failed to understand my point,



"Constant posting about gammons, wanting the elderly to die to remove their leave vote and much worse. "


I was talking about remainers in general not this thread hence my link to twitter whereas you directly referenced this thread.

Malthusian

Sailtheworld wrote: »

You do realise that people, even in anonymous surveys, try and give the 'correct' answer even if it's not truthful? A 12 year old wouldn't try and determine whether people are racist or not with the question 'are you racist?'.

So let me get this straight - because Leave voters are racist but are dishonest about their racism, we have to ask them oblique questions, like "do you believe your country is the best in the world" that prove they are racist? Questions which aren't racist so their dishonesty about being racist doesn't kick in, but nonetheless prove they are racist?

Would it not be easier to feel the bumps on their head to prove they are all racists? Or dunk them in a river and see if they float?

Sailtheworld

markj113 wrote: »

You miss quoted me or failed to understanf my point, I was talking about remainers in general not this thread hence my link to twitter.

In general most people are polite. Twitter doesn't represent most people.

Sailtheworld

Malthusian wrote: »

So let me get this straight - because Leave voters are racist but are dishonest about their racism, we have to ask them oblique questions, like "do you believe your country is the best in the world" that prove they are racist? Questions which aren't racist so their dishonesty about being racist doesn't kick in, but nonetheless prove they are racist?

Yes, exactly.

Jamie Oliver stood outside Tesco and asked customers if they would buy free range chicken if it was made more available. Of course they would was the clear reply. Except they didn't.

People can't even be honest about buying chicken so don't expect them to be honest about their racism. You're being too binary - the answer to the questions are you patriotic, etc. don't 'prove' racism but infer it. You could validate this inference by asking known racists the same questions and seeing their responses to the same trigger words.

When the 'correct' answer is more obvious i.e. 'no I'm not a racist', 'no I'm not a wife-beater' etc. the better the survey needs to be.

Tromking

Sailtheworld wrote: »

In general most people are polite. Twitter doesn't represent most people.

I think the Remain narrative has been and unfortunately continues to be the most vicious in its tone. I genuinely think there was an opportunity immediately post the referendum to build a Remain argument that could have perhaps helped persuade unsure leave voters into crossing the divide and back Remain.
Unfortunately for them, the sort of civilised discourse needed to persuade was all too often discarded for the sort of nasty invective that has become the Remain sides trademark.

Moby

The British Social Attitude Survey sums it up quite well imo:-

The result reflected the concerns of older, more ‘authoritarian’ or social conservative voters who were particularly worried about immigration. Any suggestion that immigration was not at the heart of this vote runs counter to what we have found.

The division about immigration that was evident in how people voted in the EU referendum is mirrored in attitudes to immigration itself. In the years leading up to the vote there was a stark and growing divide between young people with a degree education and older people with no formal qualifications in their views about the economic impact of immigration. For example, 62% of those with a degree, and 48% of those aged 18-29 now believe immigration has
a positive impact on the economy. In contrast, just 29% of those with GCSEs as their highest level of qualification or no qualifications and just 29% of those aged over 70 hold the same view. Our analysis of the latest European-wide data on this subject shows that this social divide in attitudes towards immigration is bigger than anywhere else in Europe.

http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-report/british-social-attitudes-34/key-findings/brexit-and-immigration-a-country-divided.aspx