Will Brexit happen?

Conina

Sailtheworld wrote: »

We were talking about the leaflet. Don't try and move the goalposts.

Are you struggling to understand even such basics?

No goalposts have been moved. The relevance of "the leaflet" and the interpretation thereof will differ from person to person based upon individual circumstances. Was that "dumbed-down" version more suited?

elstimpo

Tromking wrote: »

Cummings suggests to doorstepping journalists that they get out of London and stop listening to 'rich remainers'. Love the man.

Yeah, brilliant :huh:

Looking forward to the full and proper investigation into Banks, Bannon, Mercer, Cummins, Russians, Leave EU, Be Leave, £8m of funding referred to national crime agency, Cambridge Analytica etc and finding out exactly what went on and who had influence over UK democracy.

We had two job openings up here in Yorkshire that we have had to pull to wait to see what happens with Brexit. If it's no deal, then UK CE certificates won't be valid in Europe, they would have to be held by an EU based importer. So if thats happens, no jobs in UK as money would be needed to fund giving margin away to EU company or setting up of EU hub.

To confirm, none of this is London based.

westernpromise

Here's a thought experiment. I was presented with this years ago and still find it useful.

One day an alien flying saucer arrives on Earth. Its occupants inform us that we have now reached a stage where we are considered worthy of admission to the Interplanetary Union of hundreds of planets.

As members of the IU, we will benefit from all its technology and knowledge. We can expect a 1,000% increase in everyone's wealth accompanied by a reduction in pollution, disease and all bad things.

There's a membership fee. The annual subscription is fifty million black people. The other members of the IU have to eat, and that's what they eat. We just hand over a sustainable 5% of the black people on the planet every year and we're in. 60 million black people, that's all. What? It was 50 million before? No it wasn't. It was always 70 million. You misunderstood. Anyway it's too late, we already agreed on 75 million.

In exchange for this small price, think of all the monetary, life quality and environmental benefits of IU membership! What's not to like?

So you see this is interesting for a couple of reasons. Most obviously, you can't oppose monetary arguments to everything. Not everything is always about the money.

Second, we make and have made such decisions at many times. We abolished slavery at huge cost out of principle. Arguments against doing so because money failed. We likewise continue to favour environmentally friendly technologies over others even if costlier.

Now somebody remind me again what the best arguments were for staying in the EU. Try not to mention money.

elstimpo

westernpromise wrote: »

Here's a thought experiment. I was presented with this years ago and still find it useful.

One day an alien flying saucer arrives on Earth. Its occupants inform us that we have now reached a stage where we are considered worthy of admission to the Interplanetary Union of hundreds of planets.

As members of the IU, we will benefit from all its technology and knowledge. We can expect a 1,000% increase in everyone's wealth accompanied by a reduction in pollution, disease and all bad things.

There's a membership fee. The annual subscription is fifty million black people. The other members of the IU have to eat, and that's what they eat. We just hand over a sustainable 5% of the black people on the planet every year and we're in. 60 million black people, that's all. What? It was 50 million before? No it wasn't. It was always 70 million. You misunderstood. Anyway it's too late, we already agreed on 75 million.

In exchange for this small price, think of all the monetary, life quality and environmental benefits of IU membership! What's not to like?

So you see this is interesting for a couple of reasons. Most obviously, you can't oppose monetary arguments to everything. Not everything is always about the money.

Second, we make and have made such decisions at many times. We abolished slavery at huge cost out of principle. Arguments against doing so because money failed. We likewise continue to favour environmentally friendly technologies over others even if costlier.

Now somebody remind me again what the best arguments were for staying in the EU. Try not to mention money.

This is utterly pathetic on so many levels. :embarasse

We are all better than this utter drivel.

westernpromise

elstimpo wrote: »

This is utterly pathetic on so many levels. :embarasse

We are all better than this utter drivel.

I love how bewildered you sound.

Would you have opposed abolishing slavery because was costly?

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

Okay ducky, then don't imply an incorrect knowledge of what you think others interpret as being gospel and you might find that your feathers become less ruffled.

Your feathers are ruffled because you were one of the people who dismissed the contents of the leaflet before it even arrived and are now trying to pretend you gave it due consideration.

phillw

westernpromise wrote: »

I love how bewildered you sound.

Would you have opposed abolishing slavery because was costly?

Your post is bewildering.

Joining the EU has given us cleaner beaches & rivers, a legal right to refuse working more than 48 hours a week, the chance to live and work in one of 28 countries without having to go through extensive applications, the chance to do business with 28 countries without barrier.

There are so many benefits to EU membership, benefits outside the EU are limited to tax evasion & reduced rights for your employees. If that doesn't sound like it will benefit you, then you're not one of the people who will benefit from brexit.

Green_Bear

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Vinyl LP's don't sell in great quantities these days.

Maybe not a massive market - but there is a retro / vintage market in vinyl.

Green_Bear

phillw wrote: »

Your post is bewildering.

Joining the EU has given us cleaner beaches & rivers, a legal right to refuse working more than 48 hours a week, the chance to live and work in one of 28 countries without having to go through extensive applications, the chance to do business with 28 countries without barrier.

There are so many benefits to EU membership, benefits outside the EU are limited to tax evasion & reduced rights for your employees. If that doesn't sound like it will benefit you, then you're not one of the people who will benefit from brexit.

The problem is many working class people think immigrants are competing for jobs and housing. Most don't realise that immigrants are also customers, hence they increase the demand for labour, as well as increasing the supply of labour.

Now with housing, it's slightly different, as planning restrictions can limit any increase in supply. But that is the fault of govt, not immigration.

Green_Bear

westernpromise wrote: »

Here's a thought experiment. I was presented with this years ago and still find it useful.

Second, we make and have made such decisions at many times. We abolished slavery at huge cost out of principle. Arguments against doing so because money failed. We likewise continue to favour environmentally friendly technologies over others even if costlier.

Now somebody remind me again what the best arguments were for staying in the EU. Try not to mention money.

Slavery was a massive disadvantage to the white working class in the USA at the time, as it reduced the price of labour.
Once the plantation owners had to start paying the cotton pickers, it led to an increased price of all labour - including the jobs done by the white working class.
The fear of the white workers - that all the freed slaves would start competing for the 'white jobs' - ignored the fact that the cotton still needed to be picked. Hence the wage offered for picking cotton would rise as the former slaves left the plantation.