PCN Port of Wells Civil Enforcement Ltd

BrownTrout

StaffsSW wrote: »

I did get an approximate, low resolution map which I'm trying to find again, but it came from the local council not the harbour master. The car park was clearly within the boundaries of the Wells Harbour estate. The pavement and road was shown as being local authority land along The Quay and Beach Road, with all land, and marshes being part of the harbour estate.

I did also find this reference though, page 5 of their annual brochure - http://www.wellsharbour.co.uk/docs/whc/2019_port_brochure.pdf

"But perhaps what visitors don’t realise is how big the harbour estate is and what a vast area the Commissioners are responsible for. Many Acts over several hundred years and the harbour Revision Order of 1994 clearly state the harbour stretches West to the middle of Holkham Gap, one mile seaward and East as far as Stiffkey pipeline and more importantly all areas within these boundaries that cover on a spring tide. "


Just to add - CEL are no longer pestering me about this one, usually they are quite keen to threaten court action, but they've kept quiet on that with me.

Thanks. When you find it can you do a dropbox link or such like please?

BrownTrout

Staffs
The Harbour master is denying there are bye laws in force, they are saying the act which you quote says "bye laws may be put into effect or enacted but there are NO bye laws in place"

Any thoughts?

BrownTrout

They have confirmed in an email no byelaws in force

busylizzy222

frankipoo45 wrote: »

lisk39, it would be extremely helpful if you could post images of the signage showing both the car park name and the amended time of 15minutes, as the PCN I got from Civil Enforcement said I didn't pay within 10 minutes. A technicality that would be enough to throw this out on appeal...

Hi, I didn't get a picture of the change, but will take one next time we go there. It was only changed to 15 minutes around the time I saw it and posted I think, following a letter from Norman Lamb MP I believe.

My PCN was cancelled by CEL recently. I cited inadequate signage for the new charges/cameras and Byelaws applying as I was not the driver. Hope that might help...

ODAT

StaffSW, thank you for your most helpful contribution.
I am in a similar position with CEL and Wells Quay car park.
Having confirmed that the car park was subject to byelaws, how was the matter resolved?
What documentation would you suggest I collate to make the same case for myself?

4321

I recently parked in the car park and was careful to ensure I was under the 15 minutes free parking. Today I received a fine with 2 attached photographs: The first entering the car park, the second leaving. The time difference 15 mins 40 seconds! (You have to drive to park and then having reversed out of the slot I then waited at the end of the car park for an elderly person to park).
So the fine is for entering the car parking area and leaving it, not parking as the sign says! I believe this is outrageous.
Thoughts and not sure what to do next!
Thanks for any thoughts!

Le_Kirk

Follow what the OP did in this post and, after also having read the NEWBIE sticky, if you still have a question, please start your own thread.

4321

Thanks, will do. Just spoken to the Wells harbour office and they told me the 15 minutes includes driving in and out of the car park!

Le_Kirk

Driving in and out is not parking!

4321

Exactly my point!