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If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

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  • kabayiri
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    One thing this planet is not short of is low grade labour. I've seen official estimates put the figure at 3 billion.

    You don't even need to offer residency rights. If we drop the NMW we can find people who are much much cheaper than any EU citizen.

    We are shifting production out of Poland because of rising costs. Sad because they are nice workers, but needs must and all that.

    Labour shortage worries is a manufactured problem by VIs.
  • Thrugelmir
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    Such an abundance of choice in the hospitality sector. One wonders if this is the sector along with retail that's going to take a huge hit in any downtown. Far cheaper to eat and drink at home or indeed makes ones own to take out.........
  • buglawton
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    So you're acknowledging that we can fix this immigration 'problem' from within the EU? About time.
    OP's question was how do you prevent illegal migration across soft borders. ID cards for the UK would be a start. You can't prevent legal FOM which is of course mostly what Brexit is about.
  • StevieJ
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    movilogo wrote: »
    In last few weeks probability of few things happening gone up while others gone down.

    Event - chance of happening

    No Deal - high
    TM's WA - high
    Extend article 50 - low (at most extend by few months only)
    Withdraw article 50 - negligible
    2nd referendum - low
    general election - low
    Farage launching new Brexit party - high


    Looks like 'No deal' has been shuffled down the pack.
    Theresa May's chief Brexit negotiator Olly Robbins says MPs will have a choice between her deal or a lengthy delay to Brexit.
    https://www.hl.co.uk/news/2019/2/13/brexit-will-be-delayed-if-mps-reject-theresa-mays-deal-admits-her-chief-negotiator
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • StevieJ wrote: »
    Looks like 'No deal' has been shuffled down the pack.
    Because of someone supposedly overhearing something that was said in a bar? Yeah right. :rotfl:

    That'll be why Stephen Barclay is today saying that any extension to Article 50 would be "disruptive" and is not part of any government plan, will it?
  • movilogo
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    Looks like 'No deal' has been shuffled down the pack.

    Not really ;) - and this from a remain backing rag

    Brexit: no deal still on table, says No10, as ERG refuses to back government motion - Politics live

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/feb/13/brexit-latest-news-developments-pmqs-olly-robbins-wrong-to-claim-may-will-use-threat-of-extending-article-50-to-pass-deal-barclay-says-politics-live

    In other news, Mark Carney has changed his tune that No Deal wouldn't be that bad as he thought earlier.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6698089/Leaving-EU-restore-faith-democracy-says-Mark-Carney-Bank-England-governor.html

    No Deal is no longer a dirty word :D
    Happiness is buying an item and then not checking its price after a month to discover it was reduced further.
  • andrewf75
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    edited 13 February 2019 at 5:16PM
    movilogo wrote: »
    In other news, Mark Carney has changed his tune that No Deal wouldn't be that bad as he thought earlier.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6698089/Leaving-EU-restore-faith-democracy-says-Mark-Carney-Bank-England-governor.html

    No Deal is no longer a dirty word :D

    where in that article does he say that? I know we're in a post-truth world and all that, but did I miss something?

    No-one sensible claims things like no-deal won't be that bad.

    The whole talk of no-deal being somehow an acceptable option is just ridiculous. No one should be advocating it whatever their views on how Brexit should look.
  • J_Nostin wrote: »
    I've never been to a hotel and found the bed unmade, or seen a closed burger joint through lack of staff.

    I know of many hotels that are frequently unable to sell some rooms because they don't have and can't hire enough staff to make up all the beds in time.

    And I've seen many restaurants and cafes forced into reducing opening hours or trading areas or product choice, or increasing customer wait times and thus negatively impacting income, because of staff shortages.

    Of course a typical uninformed punter on the street, blissfully ignorant of the ways businesses have to compensate for critical staff shortages, would likely never notice... After all if the hotel is 'sold out' they stay somewhere else. Never knowing that the hotel is suffering from unmade beds and unsold rooms.

    It is a fact that there are severe and critical staff shortages across huge swathes of the UK, things are so bad that many times people cannot operate their businesses at a normal level, and have to reduce opening hours or production or the services offered to compensate.

    Denying the truth in this regard doesn't help to solve the problem.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Matt_L
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    I know of many hotels that are frequently unable to sell some rooms because they don't have and can't hire enough staff to make up all the beds in time.

    And I've seen many restaurants and cafes forced into reducing opening hours or trading areas or product choice, or increasing customer wait times and thus negatively impacting income, because of staff shortages.

    Of course a typical uninformed punter on the street, blissfully ignorant of the ways businesses have to compensate for critical staff shortages, would likely never notice... After all if the hotel is 'sold out' they stay somewhere else. Never knowing that the hotel is suffering from unmade beds and unsold rooms.

    It is a fact that there are severe and critical staff shortages across huge swathes of the UK, things are so bad that many times people cannot operate their businesses at a normal level, and have to reduce opening hours or production or the services offered to compensate.

    Denying the truth in this regard doesn't help to solve the problem.

    In what area do you live Hamish??

    Lots of your above post are absolute rubbish imo, not trying to be rude in any way but I just don't believe any of it.

    Making stories up to try and push your argument only creates problems....
    "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."
  • Thrugelmir
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    movilogo wrote: »
    Brexit: no deal still on table, says No10, as ERG refuses to back government motion - Politics live

    Cracks appearing in both Germany and Italy. Appears not everyone is happy with the political stance over pragmatism. Just need to hold our nerves.
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