If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

mayonnaise

movilogo wrote: »

People those who cry that lower paid migrants would not come post Brexit, are not looking into bigger picture.

These people are paid lower wage which generates handsome profits to some business owners only.

Due to their lower pay, the taxpayers need to top up their wage. They are also putting load on public services like NHS, schools etc.

Does the same apply to you, or only to immigrants who are not you?

movilogo

It applies to everyone. But that's not an excuse not to limit the numbers.

mayonnaise

movilogo wrote: »

It applies to everyone. But that's not an excuse not to limit the numbers.

EU net migration last year was approx. 70000

Non-EU (like yourself) net migration last year was approx. 240000

So you mean we should limit the numbers for people like yourself?

movilogo

So, you have 2 cars. In one car you have brake but decided not to use it

In another car, you have no brake at all.

Which car do you prefer to drive?

Nasqueron

mayonnaise wrote: »

EU net migration last year was approx. 70000

Non-EU (like yourself) net migration last year was approx. 240000

So you mean we should limit the numbers for people like yourself?

The anti-immigration site Migration Watch says to June 2018 net migration annually was 273,000, not 310,000.


This is an aside as it ignores the fact the UK has falling birth rates and longer living means we do not have enough young people coming into the workforce to be able to support the UK population as it grows older and lives longer. The anti-immigration crowd would do well to remember that we need MORE migration, not less - more workers specifically. Whatever deal we have post-Brexit we need open borders and people need to remember that those who aren't well funded in retirement are going to live in misery without more migrants coming and paying taxes into our systems. It would be suitably ironic for a load of bitter old people voting leave to stop foreigners coming to have to live in dodgy care homes due to a shortage of carers as the best are being snapped up by the rich

andrewf75

Nasqueron wrote: »

This is an aside as it ignores the fact the UK has falling birth rates and longer living means we do not have enough young people coming into the workforce to be able to support the UK population as it grows older and lives longer. The anti-immigration crowd would do well to remember that we need MORE migration, not less - more workers specifically.

Its incredible how there is so little discussion of this.

I don't think more and more immigration is the answer, but if it isn't then we have to prepare for huge changes - and no-one is acknowledging this, let alone addressing it.

Zxcv_Bnm

kabayiri wrote: »

Part of the problem faced in Hamish's part of the world is that migrant workers don't want to go to Scotland. Even Syrian refugees who were allocated to Scotland felt isolated and wanted to move to Manchester and London.

Imagine feeling so isolated that Manchester feels like an improvement

sheesh

Zxcv_Bnm

Nasqueron wrote: »

those who aren't well funded in retirement are going to live in misery without more migrants coming and paying taxes into our systems.

the argument is that the type of migrant we're getting pays nothing or almost nothing into our systems (Mars bar a month wasn't it)
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/148
this is before you consider most are single or without kids

the ideal migrant is a billionaire - spends a lot, takes nothing out apart from using the road

kabayiri

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

Imagine feeling so isolated that Manchester feels like an improvement

sheesh

I know right

I think they have grounds to sue the SNP.

Nicola Sturgeon was telling everybody that Scotland was "at the heart of Europe".

Perhaps they thought they would be located not so far from the ski slopes of Switzerland. :rotfl:

Zxcv_Bnm

kabayiri wrote: »

I know right

I think they have grounds to sue the SNP.

Nicola Sturgeon was telling everybody that Scotland was "at the heart of Europe".

Perhaps they thought they would be located not so far from the ski slopes of Switzerland. :rotfl:

I don't get why the SNP is legally allowed to call itself that

They want to be governed by a foreign power, they just think it shouldn't be England

what's 'national' about that

it's like being 'liberated' Poland in 1950 as opposed to 'occupied' Poland 1940

the difference was what ?!

they should be the Scots Protectorate Party cause that's all they think they wanna be