If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

movilogo

But, we all know, Cameron was banking on a particular result, and he got it wrong. That's why he didn't putting in a buffer zone on the result.

Not just him, plenty of politicians didn't think Leave would win.

While the referendum result was 52:48 in favour of Leave, the MPs in parliament was in 25:75.

This highlights a significant flaw in representational democracy system - the MPs don't really represent people.

That's the fundamental issue with Brexit saga.

mayonnaise

andrewf75 wrote: »

But that was always a bit stupid. There isn't much point having a vote unless you implement the result!

There is a precedent.

'Boaty McBoatface' won by a clear margin when the public was asked to name the new Polar research vessel.

In the end, they called it RRS David Attenborough.

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

This highlights a significant flaw in representational democracy system - the MPs don't really represent people.

Very true

But in the case of views on whether we should be in the EU or not the 25:75 ratio reflects the fact that MPs have a much greater understanding of global affairs than the average voter. If you asked any other group of people who could be judged as having a better than average understanding- politics students at a university or economists or whatever - you'd probably get an equally emphatic result.

This is why we have a representative democracy. We elect people who know more about global affairs to make complex decisions on our behalf.

It does completely call into question the whole system - but the Brexit fiasco is a good argument for less democratic governments!

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

And they did so by the EU Referendum Bill, which stipulated that the referendum would be advisory only and not legally binding.
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They have had multiple gateway points since then.

The House overwhelmingly voted to trigger A50. As you say, they could have ignored any referendum result and triggered (or not) A50.

There was also a GE, where every party had an opportunity to stand on a pro/anti Brexit platform.

Either national politics has taken precedence, or the politicians don't put enough thought into their actions.

J_Nostin

mayonnaise wrote: »

There is a precedent.

'Boaty McBoatface' won by a clear margin when the public was asked to name the new Polar research vessel.

In the end, they called it RRS David Attenborough.

A precedent? But was the naming of the Polar research vessel an advisory vote that was promised to be respected by the NERC head honcho?
Answer = No.
The public were asked for suggestions and even Wiki says "The NERC stated that they would have the final say, and that the most popular name in the poll would not necessarily be the one used".

So not a precedent and actually nothing like the Brexit vote at all then.

Zxcv_Bnm

Herzlos wrote: »

I haven't seen any sign that Brussels want powers that aren't in some way related to trade or economies. The EU army is mostly a resource optimization thing.

Why did the EU pass a resolution in 2015 demanding that France and Britain give up their UN security council seats to the EU

Why did the European Congress in 1948 propose "a ‘Single European Defence Force’; a ‘unified economic system’ and ‘the conclusion of a complete federation'

Why did Joschka Fischer say in November 1998 that "‘one day foreign and defence policy will also have to become Community tasks’.

Why did Blair and Chirac issue the St Malo communique - "the Union (EU) must be given appropriate structures and a capacity for analysis of situations, sources of intelligence, and a capability for relevant strategic planning… In this regard, the European Union will also need to have recourse to suitable military means.’

Why did Romano Prodi tell the Independent in 2000 that "‘I was not joking … If you don’t want to call it a European army, don’t call it a European army. You can call it ‘Margaret’, you can call it ‘Mary-Ann’, you can find any name…’

Zxcv_Bnm

andrewf75 wrote: »

But in the case of views on whether we should be in the EU or not the 25:75 ratio reflects the fact that MPs have a much greater understanding of global affairs than the average voter.

Ba11s

David Davis: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/99971/david-davis-criticised-over-brexit-transition-period-gaffe

Abbott? Lammy? Corbyn?

they are muppets

andrewf75

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

Ba11s

David Davis: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/99971/david-davis-criticised-over-brexit-transition-period-gaffe

Abbott? Lammy? Corbyn?

they are muppets

They may be muppets relative to the posiiton they hold...but they still have a vastly better understanding of things than the average voter!

AlanP_2

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

Why did the EU pass a resolution in 2015 demanding that France and Britain give up their UN security council seats to the EU

Only had time to check the first one and to quote from the House of Commons Briefing Paper on the subject:

"In November 2015 the European Parliament endorsed a report which refers to the ‘long-term goal of the EU having a seat on an enlarged Security Council’.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7597/CBP-7597.pdf

So one of the pillars of the EU, parliament, which has UK MEPs elected to it and sitting in it "endorsed a report" which you have interpreted as "demanding".

Before I waste time checking all your other "facts" do you want to go and do your homework again?

mayonnaise

J_Nostin wrote: »

A precedent? But was the naming of the Polar research vessel an advisory vote that was promised to be respected by the NERC head honcho?
Answer = No.
The public were asked for suggestions and even Wiki says "The NERC stated that they would have the final say, and that the most popular name in the poll would not necessarily be the one used".

So not a precedent and actually nothing like the Brexit vote at all then.

Hello 'new' poster.
That post wasn't meant to be taken very seriously. Next time I'll add a winking smiley face so you don't get all confused again.