If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

Takedap

movilogo wrote: »

This highlights a significant flaw in representational democracy system - the MPs don't really represent people.

Do you really want them to? If put to a referendum, the average voter would want free beer & public hangings. I don't want important decisions on the future of my country being made by the average man on the street.

movilogo

I don't want important decisions on the future of my country being made by the average man on the street.

The problem is, every vote considers himself/herself above average

Some MPs are way below what I call average intelligence.

This thought has caused rise of populism.

Switzerland does have direct democracy which seems to work fine.

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

Some MPs are way below what I call average intelligence.

Surely nonsense. I would bet every MP is well above average intelligence.

Easy to criticise MPs (and I frequently do) but you have to work hard to get there. You have to have something about you.

movilogo

OK, I was wrong. Diane Abot is more intelligent than you

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

OK, I was wrong. Diane Abot is more intelligent than you

She probably is, no shame in that.

Probably more intelligent than you as well.

But my point is she is of well above average intelligence. If you seriously think she isn't, then you don't know many average people!

Forgetting key figures and fluffing her lines when under pressure makes her rubbish at her job, but it doesn't make her of average intelligence.

Takedap

movilogo wrote: »

The problem is, every vote considers himself/herself above average

As George Carlin used to say "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then realise that half of them are stupider than that"


Mind you, he also said "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers"

Takedap

andrewf75 wrote: »

But my point is she is of well above average intelligence. If you seriously think she isn't, then you don't know many average people!

Forgetting key figures and fluffing her lines when under pressure makes her rubbish at her job, but it doesn't make her of average intelligence.

She's probably a very good constituency MP. But not front bench material.

andrewf75

Takedap wrote: »

As George Carlin used to say "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then realise that half of them are stupider than that"


Mind you, he also said "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers"

There is also the Dunning-Kruger effect where stupid people are ultra-confident in their beliefs, whereas intelligent people are full of doubt.

andrewf75

Takedap wrote: »

She's probably a very good constituency MP. But not front bench material.

yes, thats probably fair - I'm sure she isn't as incompetent as she sounds sometimes

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

Forgetting key figures and fluffing her lines when under pressure makes her rubbish at her job, but it doesn't make her of average intelligence.

Intelligence doesn't make up for a lack of common sense though.