If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Part of the problem faced in Hamish's part of the world is that migrant workers don't want to go to Scotland. Even Syrian refugees who were allocated to Scotland felt isolated and wanted to move to Manchester and London.

Have you got a citation for the Syrian refugees wanting to go to Manchester or London?



The Syrians I'm aware of up here have mostly integrated pretty well. There are a few bigots who dislike them, but a few of them have set up businesses and stuff. I haven't seen any indication that they are discontent but I can see a lot of their kids moving back into the cities as they get older because there's really not much for youth in rural life.

Herzlos

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

I don't get why the SNP is legally allowed to call itself that

They want to be governed by a foreign power, they just think it shouldn't be England

what's 'national' about that

it's like being 'liberated' Poland in 1950 as opposed to 'occupied' Poland 1940

the difference was what ?!

they should be the Scots Protectorate Party cause that's all they think they wanna be

They want more local control. Joining the EU and following the EU rules they have a hand in making still results in a huge amount of additional sovereignty from having decisions made by Westminster.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Have you got a citation for the Syrian refugees wanting to go to Manchester or London?

...

There ya go.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/693149/Syrian-refugees-leave-Scottish-island-OLD-PEOPLE-Scotland

Too many old people apparently.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

They want more local control. Joining the EU and following the EU rules they have a hand in making still results in a huge amount of additional sovereignty from having decisions made by Westminster.

That sounds like ... "taking back control".

It's a phrase which sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it

andrewf75

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

I don't get why the SNP is legally allowed to call itself that

They want to be governed by a foreign power, they just think it shouldn't be England

what's 'national' about that

it's like being 'liberated' Poland in 1950 as opposed to 'occupied' Poland 1940

the difference was what ?!

they should be the Scots Protectorate Party cause that's all they think they wanna be

Whether you agree with Scottish independence or not, there is nothing illogical about wanting to be independent within the EU.

Plenty of EU countries have experience of being governed by a foreign power - some within living memory. Funnily enough most of them are enthusiastic about membership.

It is only compared by people in a country such as the UK where we have no concept of what being governed by a foreign power is.

kabayiri

A cancellation of Brexit wouldn't shut Nicola and her mates from banging on about independence.

They've been talking about it for donkeys.

If they really want to go, give them another vote I say. You don't really want an Union member not committed to the Union. (whatever that Union might be).

movilogo

If they really want to go, give them another vote I say

I'd say a week prior to that vote, there should another vote in England to see whether people in England want Scotland to be part of UK or not.

Problem solved forever.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

That sounds like ... "taking back control".

It's a phrase which sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it

Of course, but it actually will result in taking back control. There's lots of things our parliament wants to do up here but can't because it's reserved to Westminster. Very few of them are reserved to Brussels.


Whereas the UK "taking back control" isn't going to be taking anything back from Brussels that it isn't going to have to immediately give up again to get a trade deal, except we won't be at the table to make the rules. Westminster has the power to solves most of the problems leading towards Brexit, Holyrood doesn't.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

There ya go.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/693149/Syrian-refugees-leave-Scottish-island-OLD-PEOPLE-Scotland

Too many old people apparently.

Thanks. Having been to the town in question I entirely agree with him, there's nothing there for anyone who isn't on benefits or retired. There's almost no foreigners, no job prospects, nothing to do.


It's a real shame, but i don't know what the solution to the problem is; we can't get anyone (native or not) to stay in these backwaters without doing something to improve their situation.

Herzlos

movilogo wrote: »

I'd say a week prior to that vote, there should another vote in England to see whether people in England want Scotland to be part of UK or not.

Problem solved forever.

I entirely agree - no-one wants to be in a union with an unwilling party (no matter how much money we get from them), and politically Scotland and England are actually quite distinct, so I'd be all for England having a say as to whether they want us to remain a "drain" on them. Going by the disinformation that led to Brexit we'd be almost guaranteed freedom without even having to vote for it