If there isn't a hard-border what would stop Eastern European immigrants entering UK via Ireland??

Matt_L

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'm sure they are.

But perhaps you'd care to address the substantive point.

What the heck are we supposed to do about the critical shortage of labour in huge parts of the UK if not import more people?

Perhaps it has more to do with where you live? Here in Manchester and London you can go to most B&Q's and see dozens of young men and women gathering early every morning in the hope of a days work, most if not all are from another European country. They tend to be very friendly and the fact that they are there early every morning indicates they are willing to work hard.. However you need to persuade them to move to your location..

Personally im not hungover with people coming here to work. I have lived in my new build house now for just over a year and all but one of my neighbours are form Poland and im very happy with that. I really couldn't have asked for better people to be living next to. We are all becoming very good friends...

I voted leave for very different reasons...

buglawton

To go right back to the original question. What will stop movement is whatever stops Schengen visa holders from outside of the EU traveling into and potentially settling in the UK now. Which is saying, not a lot until the UK adopts its own ID card scheme like, oddly enough most EU countries already have.

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

To go right back to the original question. What will stop movement is whatever stops Schengen visa holders from outside of the EU traveling into and potentially settling in the UK now. Which is saying, not a lot until the UK adopts its own ID card scheme like, oddly enough most EU countries already have.

So you're acknowledging that we can fix this immigration 'problem' from within the EU? About time.

J_Nostin

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'm sure they are.

But perhaps you'd care to address the substantive point.

What the heck are we supposed to do about the critical shortage of labour in huge parts of the UK if not import more people?

But there isn't a "substantive point" is there?

I've never been to a hotel and found the bed unmade, or seen a closed burger joint through lack of staff. Your "critical shortage of labour" is non-existent in reality. If there is work needs doing and if there are job shortages as you seem to think, those queueing jobseekers as mentioned by Matt would be there in a flash. According to you they're not so somewhere something doesn't sound right. I somehow don't see migrants travelling thousands of miles to find work but refusing it in the last few hundred, do you?

Dean000000

J_Nostin wrote: »

But there isn't a "substantive point" is there?

I've never been to a hotel and found the bed unmade, or seen a closed burger joint through lack of staff. Your "critical shortage of labour" is non-existent in reality. If there is work needs doing and if there are job shortages as you seem to think, those queueing jobseekers as mentioned by Matt would be there in a flash. According to you they're not so somewhere something doesn't sound right. I somehow don't see migrants travelling thousands of miles to find work but refusing it in the last few hundred, do you?

well some do - but the overwhelming majority don't...


Just clarify that before the inevitable 'yeah they come here to claim' response comes.....

Nasqueron

J_Nostin wrote: »

But there isn't a "substantive point" is there?

I've never been to a hotel and found the bed unmade, or seen a closed burger joint through lack of staff. Your "critical shortage of labour" is non-existent in reality. If there is work needs doing and if there are job shortages as you seem to think, those queueing jobseekers as mentioned by Matt would be there in a flash. According to you they're not so somewhere something doesn't sound right. I somehow don't see migrants travelling thousands of miles to find work but refusing it in the last few hundred, do you?

Ah anecdotes, the lifeblood of project denial to avoid dealing with facts.


Hospitality industry reporting worries over shortage of workers



Other areas that rely on immigrant labour are already struggling


NFU reporting shortages already

Malthusian

Nasqueron wrote: »

Ah anecdotes, the lifeblood of project denial to avoid dealing with facts.

Hospitality industry reporting worries over shortage of workers

A worry is literally the exact opposite of a fact.

Other areas that rely on immigrant labour are already struggling

NFU reporting shortages already

The headline of that article is "Worker shortages could cause supply chain disruption in 2018". So again that is a worry about the future (when the article was written) and not a fact about what is already happening. And it is a worry about last year, from two years ago. Last time I checked agricultural supply chains were very much operational, and we still haven't had an Emergency Budget and 4p added to income tax.

Nasqueron

Malthusian wrote: »

A worry is literally the exact opposite of a fact.

The headline of that article is "Worker shortages could cause supply chain disruption in 2018". So again that is a worry about the future (when the article was written) and not a fact about what is already happening. And it is a worry about last year, from two years ago. Last time I checked agricultural supply chains were very much operational, and we still haven't had an Emergency Budget and 4p added to income tax.

The fact both the farming and hospitality trade's main industry bodies are worrying just proves the point.


Project Hate 2: Denial Boogaloo really is laughable

movilogo

In last few weeks probability of few things happening gone up while others gone down.

Event - chance of happening

No Deal - high
TM's WA - high
Extend article 50 - low (at most extend by few months only)
Withdraw article 50 - negligible
2nd referendum - low
general election - low
Farage launching new Brexit party - high

Herzlos

I'd put withdraw A50 as much more likely than no deal.