Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Sailtheworld

movilogo wrote: »

So if Tory MPs do topple their own government, they will be wiped out by Brexit party in GE that follows. Labour will be toast too as remainer voters believe on Lib Dem than Labour and Leavers will favour Brexit (or Tories) now.

Hence they are unlikely to do it.

Surely you've noticed that when the Tories put on the Europe goggles there's just no telling what they'll do no matter how unlikely it might seem?

lisyloo

movilogo wrote: »

So if Tory MPs do topple their own government, they will be wiped out by Brexit party in GE that follows. Labour will be toast too as remainer voters believe on Lib Dem than Labour and Leavers will favour Brexit (or Tories) now.

Hence they are unlikely to do it.

If UK indeed leaves without a deal, both Labour and Tories can continue business as usual mode (which they prefer anyway).

Your making a huge number of assumptions there including how the entire will vote !

Looks like the Torres would bring down their own government.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-no-deal-parliament-tory-leadership-jeremy-hunt-a9000056.html

Boris Johnson told Tories will bring him down if he tries to suspend parliament, as incoming EU chief instantly shoots down his plan

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

Your making a huge number of assumptions there including how the entire will vote !

Looks like the Torres would bring down their own government.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-no-deal-parliament-tory-leadership-jeremy-hunt-a9000056.html

I don’t think prorogation was ever a serious option tbh. It’s not going to be necessary anyway given the timescale left.

Takedap

SpiderLegs wrote: »

I don’t think prorogation was ever a serious option tbh. It’s not going to be necessary anyway given the timescale left.

Just for fun, here's a hypothetical.



Let's suppose Bojo by-passed parliament & forced through a No-Deal Brexit against their will.



He would have done this despite continued dire warnings from business leaders, professional economists, academics, scientists, politicians et al.


Now, lets suppose that these experts are at least partially correct in their forecasts & the pound crashes & the UK economy enters a deep recession.


What then happens to Bojo? (Not forgetting that when he was taken to court over the £350M a week claim, he was not found to be innocent, only that the judge said that he was not acting in an official capacity)


Any ideas?

SouthLondonUser

adindas wrote: »

You guys start to understand know that the EU is deliberately use the Irish border just to keep the UK in the EU, so they could be kept to become cash cow and sub servient of the EU under ECJ.

I do not see that at all, not in the slightest.

I don’t think anyone is debating (I am certainly not) that Ireland would suffer from a hard Brexit – that’s quite obvious. That’s not the point. The point is that the border is a very real and serious issue and, AFAIK, Brexiters still have to explain how they would handle it.

SOME checks could be carried out not at the border, but farther away. This would reduce congestion at the border but would not reduce the delays – some checks still have to be carried out; how about all the just-in-time production at car factories, for example? Would factories need to keep more stock in the UK? What would be the costs? How feasible is it to find more warehouse space? Etc etc etc

Also, even if you want to carry out checks elsewhere, how do you make sure that some of the cargo isn’t magically offloaded somewhere between the border and this location where the checks should be carried out? The potential for evasion seems huge.

There’s also the point raised by the Financial Times: if the UK goes ahead with its proposal not to charge VAT on personal imports, this would create a huge incentive for people to buy stuff in the Republic, claim VAT at the border, and bring their purchases to NI. Think of the effect on retailers in NI. Note this isn’t about exploiting exchange rate differences – it’s about VAT.

I know Brexiters do ‘grand vision’ but don’t do pesky little details; however, that’s exactly where the devil is…

SpiderLegs

Takedap wrote: »

Just for fun, here's a hypothetical.

Let's suppose Bojo by-passed parliament & forced through a No-Deal Brexit against their will.

He would have done this despite continued dire warnings from business leaders, professional economists, academics, scientists, politicians et al.

Now, lets suppose that these experts are at least partially correct in their forecasts & the pound crashes & the UK economy enters a deep recession.

What then happens to Bojo? (Not forgetting that when he was taken to court over the £350M a week claim, he was not found to be innocent, only that the judge said that he was not acting in an official capacity)


Any ideas?

What’s any of that got to do with the post you quoted?

adindas

lisyloo wrote: »

Heres the options
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48519746

Anyone can call a judicial review to stop parliament being prorogued and John majors put his hat in the ring. I think there would be enough crowdfunding available for that.

You think parliament will just roll over and do nothing?
I don’t.

Well Did you read the article ??
There are only two options available:
1. Hold a vote of no confidence to get rid of the government. I have mentioned it in my previous post #4545 the difficulties to be done before October 31, 2019 (If it is still possible ?). Let alone the new prime minister could prorogue the parliament when needed.

2. Hijack new laws to avoid no deal ??
When They really mean a no-deal, it is only an idiot will be passing a new law before October 31, 2019. Keep in mind the UK's departure on 31 October is already written into law, no new law is needed until that time. The prime minister could just sit down and relax watching the clock ticking. By October October 31, 2019 UK have left the EU without a deal.

buglawton

adindas wrote: »

Well Did you read the article ??
There are only two options available:
1. Hold a vote of no confidence to get rid of the government. I have mentioned it in my previous post #4545 the difficulties to be done before October 31, 2019 (If it is still possible ?). Let alone the new prime minister could prorogue the parliament when needed.

2. Hijack new laws to avoid no deal ??
When They really mean a no-deal, it is only an idiot will be passing a new law before October 31, 2019. Keep in mind the UK's departure on 31 October is already written into law, no new law is needed until that time. The prime minister could just sit down and relax watching the clock ticking. By October October 31, 2019 UK have left the EU without a deal.

Didn't option 2 already happen, but no-one noticed?
Well, almost no-one
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/english-democrats-brexit-already-happened-uk-has-left-eu-march-29-legal-battle/

Expect same on Oct 31st

adindas

buglawton wrote: »

Didn't option 2 already happen, but no-one noticed?
Well, almost no-one
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/english-democrats-brexit-already-happened-uk-has-left-eu-march-29-legal-battle/

Expect same on Oct 31st

Indeed i have read that before, I believe from BBC website.

Tromking

Fascinating to witness the internecine battle between the two factions at the top of the Tory party on Brexit. John Major yesterday, now Greg Clark on Sky News this morning predicting thousands of job losses in the event of a no deal Brexit, all gleefully lapped up by the terminally partisan Beth Rigby who editorialises his comments wilfully and calls the job losses “ruinous” for the economy as a result.
The attempt to rule out no deal is the ‘Custer’s last stand’ for the Tory Remainer rump in Parliament. They’re getting desperate.