Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

SouthLondonUser

Agreed, Boris' handling of the Zagahri-Ratcliffe case was beyond despicable.
In ordinary times that alone should disqualify him from any kind of public office, but these are not ordinary times, it seems.
I am no fan of Hunt but at least he behaved more professionally in that matter.

Arklight

Bojo is rolling over and showing his Prime Ministerial belly to Trump before he's even PM.

May did the same thing, in pursuit of the English Right's neurotic little brother obsession with being seen to be America's partner. Fat lot of good that did her. An embarrassing state visit conducted mostly in secrecy, and being called a fool by the Donald who was only recently gushing over his teleprompter about how great she was. Better get used to it Little Englanders, this is your taking back control. He doesn't care. The UK is so impossibly weak and isolated America will call every shot in our lopsided Special Relationship.

Another day, another farrago of spineless, corrupt, and self centred Tory fools rolls around to make things worse.

Can't believe I'm actually rooting for Jeremy Hunt. Kind of like cheering for Stalin because Hitler is worse.

adindas

lisyloo wrote: »

But that’s not going to be put to the test.
Parliament will stop no deal and we now know they can.

All the new prime minister need do to leave with no-deal is to let the current agreement run out until October 31, 2019. No addtional action os needed

The parliamentary approval is not needed.

If there is a no confidence vote short after October 31, 2019 and the labour succeed, there will be a general election.

If there is a general election Brexit part will win as the largest party. All Brexit party need to do to gain majority is to talk with Conservative to form a ruling coalitian. Job Done.

Herzlos

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

@westernpromise, one of us struggles to understand basic English.

I never said Trump did what he did because Boris is a Brexiter. I was pointing out the inconsistency between Boris' rethoric about taking back control, and his actions, ie his failure to back the ambassador, which in my view means bowing to the US, ie the exact opposite of taking back control.

This is at least the third time I explain it. If you cannot comprehend this concept this time either, so be it - I am not sure I can explain it any differently.

The extra irony is that Boris has said worse about Trump, on video. Something about not wanting to visit New York due to the very real risk of running into Trump. He then said the same thing about inviting him to London - he would but he doesn't want to expose Londoners to him.


SouthLondonUsers point was that for a PM candidate who's pushing Brexit so that we can control our own destiny and sovereignty, he seems pretty reluctant to defend our diplomatic staff and very quick to kowtow to US pressure. I suspect that's an idea of what's to come.

And lets face it, ever other diplomat thinks the same thing about Trump. Even those on US payroll. We should be ashamed of our diplomats for not thinking that, and should be looking to keep the notes more private since they need to be absolutely frank and candid.

Arklight

His opinions about Trump were hardly unusual. His position was untenable once they were read by Trump though

He was either extraordinary incautious with his email or there is a major leak.

In any case. Johnson is flatfooted and supine on the matter

lisyloo

adindas wrote: »

The parliamentary approval is not needed.

I agree with you on that.
I wasn’t talking about parliament approving it.
I’m saying they will block it.

gfplux

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Exactly, the ambassador F`ed up, everything else is just noise from a media desperate to undermine Trump and throw in undermining Brexit at any chance they get. A lot of the public are no longer listening to this noise any more though IMO.

I can not agree.
The Ambassador did his job.

The Ambassador made a SECRET assessment that was CRIMINALLY past to a journalist.
The Ambassador did his job being a charming and clever representative of HMG in the open and Secretly passing information to HMG that is/can be used when negotiating with the Trump administration.

adindas

lisyloo wrote: »

I agree with you on that.
I wasn’t talking about parliament approving it.
I’m saying they will block it.

In what way they could block it ??

With no confidence vote before October 31, 2019 ?? Labour will be extremely carefull that they do not make mistake this time. They did it with Teresa May who are much weaker than the incoming PM in 15 January 2019 they failed. Labour have learnt the lesson.

Also, the chance to get trough is very small. time is too tight. After October 31 ?? (See below)

All the new prime minister need do is just stitting quietly and let the current agreement run out until October 31, 2019. No addtional action is needed to leave. By that time UK is leaving the EU with no-deal.

If there is a no confidence vote short after October 31, 2019 and the labour succeed, there will be a general election.

If there is a general election Brexit part will win as the largest party. All the Brexit party need to do to gain majority is to talk with Conservative to form a ruling coalitian. Job Done. The case is now cat ironed

lisyloo

Heres the options
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48519746

Anyone can call a judicial review to stop parliament being prorogued and John majors put his hat in the ring. I think there would be enough crowdfunding available for that.

You think parliament will just roll over and do nothing?
I don’t.

movilogo

lisyloo wrote: »

Heres the options
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48519746

from that link

The big question is whether, if the UK is heading for no deal, enough Conservative MPs would vote to dismiss their own leader.


So if Tory MPs do topple their own government, they will be wiped out by Brexit party in GE that follows. Labour will be toast too as remainer voters believe on Lib Dem than Labour and Leavers will favour Brexit (or Tories) now.

Hence they are unlikely to do it.

If UK indeed leaves without a deal, both Labour and Tories can continue business as usual mode (which they prefer anyway).