Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lisyloo

Tromking wrote: »

There is a perception by Tories in favour of Brexit that the 'institutions' you talk are of are engaged in an effort to thwart or water down Brexit. I think there is some merit in that perception, no doubt you'll disagree. I think the accusation made against the civil service that they view Brexit as a damage limitation exercise rather than an opportunity also has some validity, although you could argue that they are picking up the mood of a reluctant remainer PM rather than it being a malicious intent on their part.
If Boris does become PM he needs to change the dynamic from one of miserable reluctance to leave the EU to one of unabashed confidence in the UK's chosen new path.

John major certainly believes that.
I thought it was quite surprising what he said here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48934781

I don’t have confidence in our chosen new path of a US trade deal.
I don’t want to move from EU food standards and produce to US food standards and produce.
I don’t have any confidence in our ability to negotiate with Trump given our poor record on negotiation with the EU.

On what basis should we be confident?

Boris hardly did a sterling Job on the international stage.

westernpromise

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Some might think that Trump felt emboldened because he knows that Boris will be in a weak negotiating position with the US, but there's an equally strong argument for thinking that Trump would have done the same no matter what (eg even if the UK hadn't voted Brexit), so who knows.

So do the thought experiment. If Boris were a Remainer would it have made any difference?

Where is the evidence that Trump thought "I can get rid of their ambassador because Brexit"?

cogito

lisyloo wrote: »

John major certainly believes that.
I thought it was quite surprising what he said here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48934781

This being the same John Major who prorogued parliament to avoid discussing the cash for questions report. Odious creep.

SouthLondonUser

westernpromise wrote: »

Where is the evidence that Trump thought "I can get rid of their ambassador because Brexit"?

? Who said that? I didn't. Nor did the user you replied to, who commented on how taking back control means doing whatever the US wants.

Like I said, some (not me) may think Trump felt emboldened by Brexit (Brexit weakens the UK - the next PM needs me - so he won't stand up to me) but it is equally plausible to think Trump would have behaved the same even without any Brexit.

I was criticising Boris for his inconsistency. Btw, if a remainer PM had failed to back the ambassador, I would have criticised him/her just the same.

lisyloo

cogito wrote: »

This being the same John Major who prorogued parliament to avoid discussing the cash for questions report. Odious creep.

Well maybe but it doesn’t matter who invokes the judicial review does it.
My guess is that there would be enough crowd funding available for sure.

The point is there is a mechanism to stop it happening and people willing to do that.

BikingBud

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Ehm, where would I have said that? Care to back up such harsh accusations with a modicum of proof, or is that too much to ask?

Apologies I linked you incorrectly with comments from another poster on another post.

Crashy_Time

movilogo wrote: »

Diplomacy is a game when you need to control your true emotion in order to win.

When ambassador's true emotion was revealed his position automatically became untenable.

When someone makes any remark (even in private) should always consider what would be impact if it is made public. The moment it was made public, there is no way to control the damage.

Exactly, the ambassador F`ed up, everything else is just noise from a media desperate to undermine Trump and throw in undermining Brexit at any chance they get. A lot of the public are no longer listening to this noise any more though IMO.

adindas

Rinoa wrote: »

https://order-order.com/

They got scared now. Just push it a little bit more to let them Vote the EU final agreement. If EU insist on border on no-deal brexit.

It is the question whether Ireland could survive with the hard border. considering 85% of their import/export to the EU depend on UK port

lisyloo

But that’s not going to be put to the test.
Parliament will stop no deal and we now know they can.

SouthLondonUser

I still don't understand how checks would be carried out but not at the border. Can someone explain? Is this being done anywhere else? Genuine question.

There are roads where you can cross the border multiple times in 10 minutes. Would these roads be closed?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-40104333/crossing-the-border-four-times-in-10-minutes