Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

What do you mean? Was there a specific tax, from which the Scottish were exempt, to bail out the banks?

Remedial lessons on the Barnett Formula required.

SouthLondonUser

This was not about Luton Bolton Manchester Liverpool Glasgow etc.
This was about living in London vs living in certain parts of Surrey or Kent which that family could have afforded.

Another example I know of directly (not hearsay) is that of a European who was doing physio and rehab, after a bad injury, in a clinic in the Home Counties, but decided to go back to London after less than a week because he was fed up with being constantly asked by the other patients: “Oh, so after this Brexit vote, when are you going back to your country?”

But I trust you will probably dismiss this as either false or unrepresentative, right?

You probably forget that all it takes is a minority of people in an area who are racist and abusive for it to become, shall we say, ‘difficult’ to live there.

What is your experience and how relevant is that? Care to share race and location?

BikingBud wrote: »

Your perspective on reality is massively skewed, something that is evident in you other posts where you openly decry any value in living outside London and you feel there are only neanderthals up north.

Ehm, where would I have said that? Care to back up such harsh accusations with a modicum of proof, or is that too much to ask?

SpiderLegs

Seems to be an awful lot of frothing and spluttering going on in south London these days.

Filo25

Just to be clear it seems that "taking back control" now consists largely of doing whatever Trump tells us to.

Sailtheworld

cogito wrote: »

Boris as PM is the direct consequence of Cameron and May not doing what they promised to do.

I bet you blame remainers for the fact that people voted leave too.

Hardly the fault of two people who think he's a dangerous clown. If there's a significant part of the Tory party membership who fall for his performance maybe they should shoulder the blame?

Same old around here though. I see Thrug still can't get through the day without blaming Gordon Brown for something or other.

Did the penny drop about UKIP in this right wing backwater by the way? Perhaps around the time they hired the asylum seeker Tommy Robinson? At the least the brexit party wouldn't attract these types.

westernpromise

Filo25 wrote: »

Just to be clear it seems that "taking back control" now consists largely of doing whatever Trump tells us to.

I don't understand. What exactly is the connection between Brexit and Trump declining to work with a British ambassador to the US who makes disparaging remarks about the US?

SouthLondonUser

westernpromise wrote: »

I don't understand. What exactly is the connection between Brexit and Trump declining to work with a British ambassador to the US who makes disparaging remarks about the US?

The connection is that Boris, the most likely next PM and a strong advocate of taking back control etc etc etc, has refused to back our ambassador. Any clearer now? I guess there is nothing like becoming the 51st state to ensure a good trade deal.

Also, the ambassador didn't make "disparaging remarks"; he didn't post offensive tweets etc. He said harsh (but arguably true and shared by a significant part of the rest of the world) things about Trump in messages which should have remained secret but were leaked to the press. Last I checked, part of an ambassador's job is to provide honest feedback on the host country, even if such feedback may cause offense.

It would be indeed interesting to see what foreign diplomats in the UK have been telling their own governments about Brexit and the wave of populism in the UK!

westernpromise

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

The connection is that Boris, the most likely next PM and a strong advocate of taking back control etc etc etc, has refused to back our ambassador. Any clearer now?

No. What exactly is the connection between Boris becoming PM and Trump declining to work with a British ambassador to the US who makes disparaging remarks about the US?

movilogo

Diplomacy is a game when you need to control your true emotion in order to win.

When ambassador's true emotion was revealed his position automatically became untenable.

When someone makes any remark (even in private) should always consider what would be impact if it is made public. The moment it was made public, there is no way to control the damage.

SouthLondonUser

westernpromise wrote: »

No. What exactly is the connection between Boris becoming PM and Trump declining to work with a British ambassador to the US who makes disparaging remarks about the US?

Your logic continues to evade me.

Has anyone said that Trump refuses to work with the ambassador BECAUSE Boris will probably be the next PM? Not my knowledge.
Some might think that Trump felt emboldened because he knows that Boris will be in a weak negotiating position with the US, but there's an equally strong argument for thinking that Trump would have done the same no matter what (eg even if the UK hadn't voted Brexit), so who knows.


Your post was in reply to this:

Filo25 wrote: »

Just to be clear it seems that "taking back control" now consists largely of doing whatever Trump tells us to.

And I pointed out the contradiction between Boris' taking back control mantra , and the fact that this lack of support for the ambassador led to the ambassador's resignation. This does not seem to me like the best example of taking back control, standing up for your country, etc. In another words, I was pointing out, surprise surprise, a huge inconsistency between Boris' words and his actions